<![CDATA[Asynchrony Podcast]]>A podcast featuring regular discussions between a bleeding-heart liberal and a three-time Trump voter. We explore where our perspectives diverge and where they come together. If you are expecting name calling and acrimony, this might not be for you. If, however, you want to better understand the divisions that are causing so much stress in our world today, then you might feel right at home. Subscribe today to join the conversation and help us be a part of the solution rather than a reason for the problem.

]]>http://www.asynchronypodcast.comRiverside.fm (https://riverside.com)Sun, 14 Jun 2026 10:18:40 GMTTue, 20 Jan 2026 05:41:31 GMT60Kevin Shively and Dean Bagley<p>A podcast featuring regular discussions between a bleeding-heart liberal and a three-time Trump voter. We explore where our perspectives diverge and where they come together. If you are expecting name calling and acrimony, this might not be for you. If, however, you want to better understand the divisions that are causing so much stress in our world today, then you might feel right at home. Subscribe today to join the conversation and help us be a part of the solution rather than a reason for the problem.</p>episodicKevin Shively and Dean Bagleykshively@gmail.comno<![CDATA[Building Bridges with Zachary Elwood]]>In this episode, we explore the roots, mechanisms, and potential solutions for the toxic polarization plaguing society today. Zachary Elwood, a former professional poker player turned polarization researcher and author, shares deep insights into the nature of conflict, the importance of understanding narratives, and practical ways to foster civil discourse.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Toxic Polarization

02:59 Zach's Journey from Poker to Polarization

05:59 Understanding Conflict Dynamics

08:48 The Role of Curiosity in Political Discourse

12:04 Shared Fears and Political Narratives

15:02 Moral Frameworks and Their Impact

18:05 The Challenge of Bridging Divides

20:55 The Importance of Self-Critique in Politics

23:57 The Power of Narratives in Shaping Beliefs

33:51 The Complexity of Truth and Misinformation

36:41 Navigating Toxic Conflict and Open Dialogue

39:05 Understanding Motivations Behind Disagreements

43:47 The Demand for Less Polarization

48:12 The Illusion of Left vs. Right

55:14 The Aesthetic vs. Structural Layers of Organizations

01:00:15 The Illusion of Group Identity

01:03:15 Understanding Perspectives Through Dialogue

01:05:01 The Dynamics of In-Group and Out-Group

01:06:02 The Complexity of Human Behavior

01:12:45 Navigating the Landscape of Manipulation

01:17:39 Closing Thoughts and Future Directions

Links to Zachary Elwood's Work

Podcast:

People Who Read People Podcast - https://behavior-podcast.com

Books:

Diffusing American Anger - https://american-anger.com

How Contempt Destroys Democracy - https://american-anger.com

]]>d692ce5c-e3e2-4353-ab57-061c30ed2a80Thu, 04 Jun 2026 10:00:00 GMT<p>In this episode, we explore the roots, mechanisms, and potential solutions for the toxic polarization plaguing society today. Zachary Elwood, a former professional poker player turned polarization researcher and author, shares deep insights into the nature of conflict, the importance of understanding narratives, and practical ways to foster civil discourse.</p><p></p><p>Chapters<br /></p><p>00:00 Introduction to Toxic Polarization</p><p>02:59 Zach's Journey from Poker to Polarization</p><p>05:59 Understanding Conflict Dynamics</p><p>08:48 The Role of Curiosity in Political Discourse</p><p>12:04 Shared Fears and Political Narratives</p><p>15:02 Moral Frameworks and Their Impact</p><p>18:05 The Challenge of Bridging Divides</p><p>20:55 The Importance of Self-Critique in Politics</p><p>23:57 The Power of Narratives in Shaping Beliefs</p><p>33:51 The Complexity of Truth and Misinformation</p><p>36:41 Navigating Toxic Conflict and Open Dialogue</p><p>39:05 Understanding Motivations Behind Disagreements</p><p>43:47 The Demand for Less Polarization</p><p>48:12 The Illusion of Left vs. Right</p><p>55:14 The Aesthetic vs. Structural Layers of Organizations</p><p>01:00:15 The Illusion of Group Identity</p><p>01:03:15 Understanding Perspectives Through Dialogue</p><p>01:05:01 The Dynamics of In-Group and Out-Group</p><p>01:06:02 The Complexity of Human Behavior</p><p>01:12:45 Navigating the Landscape of Manipulation</p><p>01:17:39 Closing Thoughts and Future Directions</p><p></p><p>Links to Zachary Elwood's Work</p><p></p><p>Podcast:</p><p>People Who Read People Podcast - <a rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://behavior-podcast.com" target="_blank">https://behavior-podcast.com</a></p><p></p><p>Books:</p><p>Diffusing American Anger - <a rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://american-anger.com" target="_blank">https://american-anger.com</a></p><p>How Contempt Destroys Democracy - <a rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://american-anger.com" target="_blank">https://american-anger.com</a></p>no01:17:531Building Bridges with Zachary Elwoodbonus<![CDATA[Episode 19 - We Are one - Sharing the Keys]]>In this episode, Kevin and Dean explore the deep psychological and philosophical roots of societal division, emphasizing how moral frameworks shape our perceptions and conflicts. They highlight the importance of recognizing that both sides of the political spectrum are necessary for a balanced society, and discuss how framing and social norms influence behavior and unrest.

]]>8002345d-f26a-41a1-8437-f22c7d43583eTue, 09 Jun 2026 10:00:00 GMT<p>In this episode, Kevin and Dean explore the deep psychological and philosophical roots of societal division, emphasizing how moral frameworks shape our perceptions and conflicts. They highlight the importance of recognizing that both sides of the political spectrum are necessary for a balanced society, and discuss how framing and social norms influence behavior and unrest.</p>no01:06:54119Episode 19 - We Are one - Sharing the Keysfull<![CDATA[Episode 18 - Which Reality Is Real? The Five Perceptual Asymmetries]]>This episode explores the deep divisions in perception and ideology, focusing on moral frameworks, cultural shifts, and the asymmetries in political reality. Hosts Dean Bagley and Kevin Shively analyze how different lenses shape our understanding of society, power, and free speech.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Podcast Growth

01:02 Understanding Different Realities

03:01 Defining Our Milieu

05:56 Moral Frameworks and Pathologies

08:52 The Filters of Perception

12:03 Identifying Pathologies in Ideologies

14:56 Cultural and Political Contexts

17:52 Critical Race Theory and Its Impact

20:59 The Evolution of Educational Norms

23:52 The Rise of Cancel Culture

27:02 Inversion of Virtue and Vice

29:52 The Institutionalization of New Norms

33:09 Free Speech and Power Dynamics

36:05 The Speech Dilemma: Balancing Freedom and Harm

39:06 Pathologies of Political Discourse

42:22 Perceptual Asymmetries in Political Reality

50:11 Cultural Norms and Their Discontents

01:01:22 Evaluating Government: Procedural vs. Cultural Perspectives

01:10:04 Bridging the Divide: Finding Common Ground


]]>eee163a1-cb5c-4cfe-a619-b04f7e16f960Tue, 02 Jun 2026 10:00:00 GMT<p>This episode explores the deep divisions in perception and ideology, focusing on moral frameworks, cultural shifts, and the asymmetries in political reality. Hosts Dean Bagley and Kevin Shively analyze how different lenses shape our understanding of society, power, and free speech.</p><p></p><p>Chapters<br /></p><p>00:00 Introduction and Podcast Growth</p><p>01:02 Understanding Different Realities</p><p>03:01 Defining Our Milieu</p><p>05:56 Moral Frameworks and Pathologies</p><p>08:52 The Filters of Perception</p><p>12:03 Identifying Pathologies in Ideologies</p><p>14:56 Cultural and Political Contexts</p><p>17:52 Critical Race Theory and Its Impact</p><p>20:59 The Evolution of Educational Norms</p><p>23:52 The Rise of Cancel Culture</p><p>27:02 Inversion of Virtue and Vice</p><p>29:52 The Institutionalization of New Norms</p><p>33:09 Free Speech and Power Dynamics</p><p>36:05 The Speech Dilemma: Balancing Freedom and Harm</p><p>39:06 Pathologies of Political Discourse</p><p>42:22 Perceptual Asymmetries in Political Reality</p><p>50:11 Cultural Norms and Their Discontents</p><p>01:01:22 Evaluating Government: Procedural vs. Cultural Perspectives</p><p>01:10:04 Bridging the Divide: Finding Common Ground</p><p><br /></p>no01:11:04118Episode 18 - Which Reality Is Real? The Five Perceptual Asymmetriesfull<![CDATA[Episode 17: It's a Cult! The Problem of Totalizing Ideologies]]>This episode explores the nature of in-group and out-group dynamics, totalizing ideologies, and how they contribute to societal polarization. Hosts Kevin Shively and Dean Bagley analyze psychological, social, and philosophical frameworks to understand and counteract divisive groupthink.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Overview of Cult Dynamics

01:08 The Misuse of the Term 'Cult'

02:54 In-Group vs. Out-Group Dynamics

06:05 Totalizing Ideologies and Their Impact

09:02 Fear of Totalitarianism Across the Spectrum

11:59 Conspiracism and Its Roots

15:13 The Nature of Group Dynamics

18:04 Agonistic Pluralism vs. Antagonism

20:59 The Role of Compromise in Politics

23:54 The Moral Implications of Ideologies

27:03 The Political Vector of Facts

29:35 Exploring Truth, Tribes, and Ideologies

30:42 The Role of Alexander Solzhenitsyn

31:41 Understanding Totalizing Ideologies

34:12 Rejecting Lies and Embracing Truth

37:50 In-Group and Out-Group Dynamics

40:00 The American Experiment and Unity

42:36 The Pathology of Group Identity

49:44 Existential Threats and Moral Binaries

51:32 Thought Reform and Totalitarianism

55:58 Cult Dynamics and Group Psychology

01:00:03 The Role of Language in Ideological Groups

01:03:18 The Path to Totalizing Ideologies

01:12:55 Diagnostic Thresholds for Group Dynamics

01:19:17 Finding Truth in Dialogue

]]>b7230f0a-9b20-4b62-9ae1-e3a504c90b23Tue, 26 May 2026 10:00:00 GMT<p>This episode explores the nature of in-group and out-group dynamics, totalizing ideologies, and how they contribute to societal polarization. Hosts Kevin Shively and Dean Bagley analyze psychological, social, and philosophical frameworks to understand and counteract divisive groupthink.<br /></p><p>Chapters<br /></p><p>00:00 Introduction and Overview of Cult Dynamics</p><p>01:08 The Misuse of the Term 'Cult'</p><p>02:54 In-Group vs. Out-Group Dynamics</p><p>06:05 Totalizing Ideologies and Their Impact</p><p>09:02 Fear of Totalitarianism Across the Spectrum</p><p>11:59 Conspiracism and Its Roots</p><p>15:13 The Nature of Group Dynamics</p><p>18:04 Agonistic Pluralism vs. Antagonism</p><p>20:59 The Role of Compromise in Politics</p><p>23:54 The Moral Implications of Ideologies</p><p>27:03 The Political Vector of Facts</p><p>29:35 Exploring Truth, Tribes, and Ideologies</p><p>30:42 The Role of Alexander Solzhenitsyn</p><p>31:41 Understanding Totalizing Ideologies</p><p>34:12 Rejecting Lies and Embracing Truth</p><p>37:50 In-Group and Out-Group Dynamics</p><p>40:00 The American Experiment and Unity</p><p>42:36 The Pathology of Group Identity</p><p>49:44 Existential Threats and Moral Binaries</p><p>51:32 Thought Reform and Totalitarianism</p><p>55:58 Cult Dynamics and Group Psychology</p><p>01:00:03 The Role of Language in Ideological Groups</p><p>01:03:18 The Path to Totalizing Ideologies</p><p>01:12:55 Diagnostic Thresholds for Group Dynamics</p><p>01:19:17 Finding Truth in Dialogue</p>no01:20:56117Episode 17: It's a Cult! The Problem of Totalizing Ideologiesfull<![CDATA[Episode 16: Addressing the Elephant - How to Talk About COVID]]>In this episode, Dean and Kevin tackle the big elephant in the room. They explore how the COVID pandemic has exemplified societal divisions, motivation-driven reasoning, and the importance of epistemic humility. They emphasize constructing a shared analytical toolkit to disentangle truth from noise amid polarized narratives, especially around complex issues like the virus's origins, policy responses, and social implications.

Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Episode Overview

01:14 Constructing an Analytical Toolkit for Bias Reduction

03:05 The Limitations of Searching for Absolute Truth

04:25 The Role of Divisions and Polarization in Society

06:23 In-group Out-group Dynamics and Threat Assessment

08:15 COVID as a Case Study of Cultic Dynamics

12:20 Analyzing COVID Through a Manichaean Framework

16:32 Agreement on COVID Facts and Disagreements on Origins

20:09 Origin Theories and Political Dogmatism

23:35 The Lab Leak Hypothesis and Motivated Reasoning

27:43 Conspiracism and Blame Attribution

35:39 Applying Symmetric Scrutiny and Evidence Standards

43:32 Factual Claims vs. Value Judgments in Policy

47:45 Personal Reflection and Moral Frameworks

55:29 The Importance of Cost-Benefit Analysis in Policy

01:00:06 Estimating COVID Mortality and Infection Rates

01:05:30 The Need for Humility and Uncertainty in Analysis

01:10:16 Epistemic Successes in Navigating COVID Divides

01:11:43 Falsification and the Path to Truth

Key Topics

  • The necessity of an objective, bias-stripping analytical approach when addressing societal crises.
  • How Manichaean dualities and ideological constructs shape our understanding and response to COVID and other issues.
  • The role of motivated reasoning and identity signaling in fueling polarization, especially in contentious topics like vaccines and origins of the virus.
  • The significance of calibrated uncertainty and maintaining genuine relationships across divisions.
  • Practical steps for applying a scientific and philosophical toolkit to navigate misinformation, dogma, and moral framing.

This episode underscores that understanding the societal and psychological roots of polarization is vital to pursuit of truth. The toolkit provided offers a structured way to challenge entrenched narratives, foster honest dialogue, and approach complex problems with humility and scientific rigor.

]]>5a8211a4-333c-4350-b24c-453a332354b8Tue, 19 May 2026 10:00:00 GMT<p>In this episode, Dean and Kevin tackle the big elephant in the room. They explore how the COVID pandemic has exemplified societal divisions, motivation-driven reasoning, and the importance of epistemic humility. They emphasize constructing a shared analytical toolkit to disentangle truth from noise amid polarized narratives, especially around complex issues like the virus's origins, policy responses, and social implications.</p><p></p><p>Chapters<br />00:00 Introduction and Episode Overview</p><p>01:14 Constructing an Analytical Toolkit for Bias Reduction</p><p>03:05 The Limitations of Searching for Absolute Truth</p><p>04:25 The Role of Divisions and Polarization in Society</p><p>06:23 In-group Out-group Dynamics and Threat Assessment</p><p>08:15 COVID as a Case Study of Cultic Dynamics</p><p>12:20 Analyzing COVID Through a Manichaean Framework</p><p>16:32 Agreement on COVID Facts and Disagreements on Origins</p><p>20:09 Origin Theories and Political Dogmatism</p><p>23:35 The Lab Leak Hypothesis and Motivated Reasoning</p><p>27:43 Conspiracism and Blame Attribution</p><p>35:39 Applying Symmetric Scrutiny and Evidence Standards</p><p>43:32 Factual Claims vs. Value Judgments in Policy</p><p>47:45 Personal Reflection and Moral Frameworks</p><p>55:29 The Importance of Cost-Benefit Analysis in Policy</p><p>01:00:06 Estimating COVID Mortality and Infection Rates</p><p>01:05:30 The Need for Humility and Uncertainty in Analysis</p><p>01:10:16 Epistemic Successes in Navigating COVID Divides</p><p>01:11:43 Falsification and the Path to Truth</p><p></p><p>Key Topics</p><ul><li>The necessity of an objective, bias-stripping analytical approach when addressing societal crises.</li><li>How Manichaean dualities and ideological constructs shape our understanding and response to COVID and other issues.</li><li>The role of motivated reasoning and identity signaling in fueling polarization, especially in contentious topics like vaccines and origins of the virus.</li><li>The significance of calibrated uncertainty and maintaining genuine relationships across divisions.</li><li>Practical steps for applying a scientific and philosophical toolkit to navigate misinformation, dogma, and moral framing.</li></ul><p></p><p>This episode underscores that understanding the societal and psychological roots of polarization is vital to pursuit of truth. The toolkit provided offers a structured way to challenge entrenched narratives, foster honest dialogue, and approach complex problems with humility and scientific rigor.</p>no01:13:38116Episode 16: Addressing the Elephant - How to Talk About COVIDfull<![CDATA[Episode 15: It Gets Real - Taking the First Bite of the Elephant]]>In this episode, Kevin Shively and Dean Bagley explore how to approach contentious topics like COVID, vaccines, and societal division with discipline and a structured methodology. Their focus is on fostering honest dialogue, evaluating sources critically, and building a shared pathway to truth that bridges ideological divides. This is setting up the really difficult discussions coming in future weeks on the podcast.

Key insights

  • The importance of analyzing not just what is said, but how arguments are structured and the logic behind them
  • Differentiating between factual claims, interpretive claims, and moral/value claims to improve clarity
  • The role of source credibility, primary sources, and the importance of good faith in discussions
  • Techniques like adversarial collaboration (steel-manning) and adopting calibrated uncertainty to foster humility and open-mindedness
  • The significance of identifying shared ground and avoiding the pitfalls of motivated reasoning and source discrediting
  • The impact of COVID as a catalyst for societal division rather than its root cause
  • Practical tools for evaluation, including frameworks inspired by scientific principles and the wisdom of primary source analysis

Timestamps:00:00 - Introduction and episode overview

00:34 - The concept of asynchrony and its relevance to shared journeys

02:15 - The evolution of Kevin and Dean’s search for objective truth

03:53 - Analyzing partisan bias and group identity’s impact on perception

05:12 - The role of AI in examining transcripts and understanding perspectives

07:11 - Ensuring analysis is unbiased through multiple AI runs and fact-checking

09:58 - The significance of healthcare and COVID debates in societal division

10:40 - Exploring epistemology: how do we know what we know?

13:35 - Comparing educational backgrounds to data evaluation skills

15:09 - The value of primary source verification and self-directed learning

17:38 - Evaluating credibility: sources that correct themselves and use primary materials

20:14 - The importance of source integrity, transparency, and motive analysis

23:07 - The necessity of engaging with opposing views and avoiding echo chambers

26:14 - Addressing source discrediting and fostering humility in discussions

30:09 - The role of framing, source context, and the Overton window

34:24 - Building logical structure before source credibility

36:44 - Differentiating claims: factual, interpretive, and value-based

39:36 - The challenges of framing in media and the importance of transparency

44:01 - Accepting calibrated uncertainty over forced resolution

47:22 - The influence of motivated versus principled reasoning in debates

51:13 - Recognizing the importance of shared goals and consistent objectives

55:45 - The COVID pandemic as a catalyst for division, not its root cause

58:00 - The importance of agreeing on what happened to build mutual understanding

1:01:12 - Questioning motivations and good faith in public statements

1:06:09 - The necessity of examining these issues on the same axes for clarity

1:10:56 - The progress of understanding over repeated discussions and analyses

1:13:14 - The significance of setting ground rules and maintaining discipline in conversations

1:15:14 - Looking ahead: transparency tools, ongoing analysis, and collaborative truth-seeking

This episode emphasizes that productive dialogue requires discipline, humility, and structured methodology. By reflecting on our biases, sourcing rigorously, and accepting uncertainty when needed, we can collaboratively navigate toward truth in an increasingly divided society.


]]>6375c3d1-b412-4894-a485-d083f8d566f5Tue, 12 May 2026 10:00:00 GMT<p>In this episode, Kevin Shively and Dean Bagley explore how to approach contentious topics like COVID, vaccines, and societal division with discipline and a structured methodology. Their focus is on fostering honest dialogue, evaluating sources critically, and building a shared pathway to truth that bridges ideological divides. This is setting up the really difficult discussions coming in future weeks on the podcast.</p><p></p><p>Key insights<br /></p><ul><li>The importance of analyzing not just <i>what</i> is said, but <i>how</i> arguments are structured and the logic behind them</li></ul><ul><li>Differentiating between factual claims, interpretive claims, and moral/value claims to improve clarity</li><li>The role of source credibility, primary sources, and the importance of good faith in discussions</li><li>Techniques like adversarial collaboration (steel-manning) and adopting calibrated uncertainty to foster humility and open-mindedness</li><li>The significance of identifying shared ground and avoiding the pitfalls of motivated reasoning and source discrediting</li><li>The impact of COVID as a catalyst for societal division rather than its root cause</li><li>Practical tools for evaluation, including frameworks inspired by scientific principles and the wisdom of primary source analysis</li></ul><p>Timestamps:00:00 - Introduction and episode overview</p><p>00:34 - The concept of asynchrony and its relevance to shared journeys</p><p>02:15 - The evolution of Kevin and Dean’s search for objective truth</p><p>03:53 - Analyzing partisan bias and group identity’s impact on perception</p><p>05:12 - The role of AI in examining transcripts and understanding perspectives</p><p>07:11 - Ensuring analysis is unbiased through multiple AI runs and fact-checking</p><p>09:58 - The significance of healthcare and COVID debates in societal division</p><p>10:40 - Exploring epistemology: how do we know what we know?</p><p>13:35 - Comparing educational backgrounds to data evaluation skills</p><p>15:09 - The value of primary source verification and self-directed learning</p><p>17:38 - Evaluating credibility: sources that correct themselves and use primary materials</p><p>20:14 - The importance of source integrity, transparency, and motive analysis</p><p>23:07 - The necessity of engaging with opposing views and avoiding echo chambers</p><p>26:14 - Addressing source discrediting and fostering humility in discussions</p><p>30:09 - The role of framing, source context, and the Overton window</p><p>34:24 - Building logical structure before source credibility</p><p>36:44 - Differentiating claims: factual, interpretive, and value-based</p><p>39:36 - The challenges of framing in media and the importance of transparency</p><p>44:01 - Accepting calibrated uncertainty over forced resolution</p><p>47:22 - The influence of motivated versus principled reasoning in debates</p><p>51:13 - Recognizing the importance of shared goals and consistent objectives</p><p>55:45 - The COVID pandemic as a catalyst for division, not its root cause</p><p>58:00 - The importance of agreeing on what happened to build mutual understanding</p><p>1:01:12 - Questioning motivations and good faith in public statements</p><p>1:06:09 - The necessity of examining these issues on the same axes for clarity</p><p>1:10:56 - The progress of understanding over repeated discussions and analyses</p><p>1:13:14 - The significance of setting ground rules and maintaining discipline in conversations</p><p>1:15:14 - Looking ahead: transparency tools, ongoing analysis, and collaborative truth-seeking</p><hr /><p>This episode emphasizes that productive dialogue requires discipline, humility, and structured methodology. By reflecting on our biases, sourcing rigorously, and accepting uncertainty when needed, we can collaboratively navigate toward truth in an increasingly divided society.</p><p></p><p><br /></p>no01:16:20115Episode 15: It Gets Real - Taking the First Bite of the Elephantfull<![CDATA[Episode 14: Moral Foundations - Seeking Shared Values]]>This episode explores the deep roots of political division, moral judgments, and the importance of understanding different perspectives to bridge societal gaps. Dean and Kevin discuss Jonathan Haidt's Moral Foundations Theory, the impact of information bubbles, and strategies for constructive dialogue.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Asynchronous Conversations

01:51 Navigating Political Divides

05:49 Moral Judgments and Certainty

09:08 Understanding Moral Foundations Theory

14:56 The Duality of Moral Perspectives

20:35 Diversity of Thought in Political Ideologies

23:47 Building a Toolkit for Productive Discussions

28:31 The Friend-Enemy Distinction

32:18 Fundamental Motivation Error

38:41 Assessing Moral Values in Political Discourse

39:17 Character Development and Moral Judgment

42:29 Cognitive Dissonance in Political Views

49:12 The Importance of Character in Leadership

58:49 Evaluating Leadership and Moral Character

01:10:40 Building an Analytical Toolkit for Political Discourse


Key  topics

* Moral foundations theory and its six dualisms

* The impact of information bubbles and media influence

* The friend-enemy distinction and its societal implications

* Strategies for understanding and bridging political divides

* The role of moral judgments in leadership and societal values

]]>cdbd622f-9836-4ef2-aece-c3a88fc2f17aTue, 05 May 2026 10:00:00 GMT<p>This episode explores the deep roots of political division, moral judgments, and the importance of understanding different perspectives to bridge societal gaps. Dean and Kevin discuss Jonathan Haidt's Moral Foundations Theory, the impact of information bubbles, and strategies for constructive dialogue.</p><p></p><p>Chapters</p><p></p><p>00:00 Introduction to Asynchronous Conversations</p><p>01:51 Navigating Political Divides</p><p>05:49 Moral Judgments and Certainty</p><p>09:08 Understanding Moral Foundations Theory</p><p>14:56 The Duality of Moral Perspectives</p><p>20:35 Diversity of Thought in Political Ideologies</p><p>23:47 Building a Toolkit for Productive Discussions</p><p>28:31 The Friend-Enemy Distinction</p><p>32:18 Fundamental Motivation Error</p><p>38:41 Assessing Moral Values in Political Discourse</p><p>39:17 Character Development and Moral Judgment</p><p>42:29 Cognitive Dissonance in Political Views</p><p>49:12 The Importance of Character in Leadership</p><p>58:49 Evaluating Leadership and Moral Character</p><p>01:10:40 Building an Analytical Toolkit for Political Discourse</p><p><br />Key  topics<br /></p><p>* Moral foundations theory and its six dualisms</p><p>* The impact of information bubbles and media influence</p><p>* The friend-enemy distinction and its societal implications</p><p>* Strategies for understanding and bridging political divides</p><p>* The role of moral judgments in leadership and societal values</p>no01:13:18114Episode 14: Moral Foundations - Seeking Shared Valuesfull<![CDATA[Episode 13: It's war! Silencing the Culture War Cannons]]>The conversation delves into the engagement and feedback received by the podcast, the turning point in the podcast's content, the origin and etymology of culture war and identity politics, the impact of counterculture and division, the concept of duality and moral judgment, the dialectic and Kantian concept, the shift from policy focus to identity focus, the corrosion of democracy, and the role of the establishment in governance. The conversation delves into the nature of organizations, the corruption of truth, identity politics and dogma, and the unwinnable culture war. It emphasizes the need for conversation and understanding in the face of polarization and dogma.

Takeaways

  • Engagement and feedback are crucial for an ongoing conversation
  • The shift from policy focus to identity focus has led to a corrosion of democracy Efficiency and organizational function are key aspects of organizational behavior.
  • The subordination of accuracy to solidarity and the framing of political machinery contribute to the corruption of truth.
  • Identity politics and the paradox of group identity contribute to polarization and the unwinnable culture war.
  • The need for conversation and understanding is essential in the face of polarization and dogma.

Chapters

  • 00:00 Engagement and Feedback
  • 06:06 Culture Comp and Cultural Struggle
  • 12:39 Identity Politics and Intersectionality
  • 17:38 Thesis, Antithesis, and Synthesis
  • 23:53 Dogmas and Political Enemies
  • 29:16 Corrosion of Democracy
  • 34:30 The Nature of Organizations
  • 46:51 The Corruption of Truth
  • 57:29 Identity Politics and Dogma
  • 01:09:14 The Unwinnable Culture War
]]>80ec4a85-c9c2-4c74-8fb9-2083f4b9c823Tue, 28 Apr 2026 10:00:00 GMT<p>The conversation delves into the engagement and feedback received by the podcast, the turning point in the podcast's content, the origin and etymology of culture war and identity politics, the impact of counterculture and division, the concept of duality and moral judgment, the dialectic and Kantian concept, the shift from policy focus to identity focus, the corrosion of democracy, and the role of the establishment in governance. The conversation delves into the nature of organizations, the corruption of truth, identity politics and dogma, and the unwinnable culture war. It emphasizes the need for conversation and understanding in the face of polarization and dogma.</p><p></p><p>Takeaways</p><ul><li>Engagement and feedback are crucial for an ongoing conversation</li><li>The shift from policy focus to identity focus has led to a corrosion of democracy Efficiency and organizational function are key aspects of organizational behavior.</li><li>The subordination of accuracy to solidarity and the framing of political machinery contribute to the corruption of truth.</li><li>Identity politics and the paradox of group identity contribute to polarization and the unwinnable culture war.</li><li>The need for conversation and understanding is essential in the face of polarization and dogma.</li></ul><p></p><p>Chapters</p><ul><li>00:00 Engagement and Feedback</li><li>06:06 Culture Comp and Cultural Struggle</li><li>12:39 Identity Politics and Intersectionality</li><li>17:38 Thesis, Antithesis, and Synthesis</li><li>23:53 Dogmas and Political Enemies</li><li>29:16 Corrosion of Democracy</li><li>34:30 The Nature of Organizations</li><li>46:51 The Corruption of Truth</li><li>57:29 Identity Politics and Dogma</li><li>01:09:14 The Unwinnable Culture War</li></ul>no01:10:38113Episode 13: It's war! Silencing the Culture War Cannonsfull<![CDATA[What have we wrought?]]>Why should you listen to this podcast? Dean and Kevin provide a detailed explanation of what is hoped to be accomplished by the podcast. This discussion highlights what has been learned over the course of the first dozen weeks of conversations and where things go from here.

]]>077bb47d-f1b6-43f3-8657-a56af3f9c4f3Thu, 19 Mar 2026 10:00:00 GMT<p>Why should you listen to this podcast? Dean and Kevin provide a detailed explanation of what is hoped to be accomplished by the podcast. This discussion highlights what has been learned over the course of the first dozen weeks of conversations and where things go from here.</p>no00:31:271What have we wrought?bonus<![CDATA[Episode 7: I'm Good, You're Evil]]>This episode explores the dynamics of political division, cognitive biases, and the importance of understanding different perspectives to foster meaningful dialogue. Hosts Kevin Shively and Dean Bagley delve into how misinformation, identity threats, and algorithmic manipulation contribute to societal polarization.

]]>027b3e2b-ada1-47c0-a480-c47ede9923d5Tue, 17 Mar 2026 20:20:05 GMT<p>This episode explores the dynamics of political division, cognitive biases, and the importance of understanding different perspectives to foster meaningful dialogue. Hosts Kevin Shively and Dean Bagley delve into how misinformation, identity threats, and algorithmic manipulation contribute to societal polarization.</p>no01:03:3917Episode 7: I'm Good, You're Evilfull<![CDATA[Episode 12: IDing the IDW - Resuscitating The Englightenment]]>In this episode, Dean and Kevin delve into the complexities of the political and cultural landscape, discussing how institutions, identity, and free speech shape our society. They explore the ideas behind the Intellectual Dark Web, the Overton window, and the importance of embracing diverse perspectives for genuine understanding and progress.

]]>51eab35a-dee7-406f-94f3-9220df4ea5fbTue, 21 Apr 2026 10:00:00 GMT<p>In this episode, Dean and Kevin delve into the complexities of the political and cultural landscape, discussing how institutions, identity, and free speech shape our society. They explore the ideas behind the Intellectual Dark Web, the Overton window, and the importance of embracing diverse perspectives for genuine understanding and progress.</p>no01:08:12112Episode 12: IDing the IDW - Resuscitating The Englightenmentfull<![CDATA[Episode 11: Take On the Establishment]]>In this episode, we explore the concept of the establishment, its various vectors, and its relationship with populism and populist movements. We analyze how power structures operate, influence culture, and how understanding these dynamics can help foster better communication and participation.

]]>2efc66fe-9a90-4b22-b508-bb36d9adfd96Tue, 14 Apr 2026 10:00:00 GMT<p>In this episode, we explore the concept of the establishment, its various vectors, and its relationship with populism and populist movements. We analyze how power structures operate, influence culture, and how understanding these dynamics can help foster better communication and participation.</p>no01:10:52Episode 11: Take On the Establishmentfull<![CDATA[Episode 10: Me vs. We]]>In this episode, Dean and Kevin explore the deep questions surrounding socialism, capitalism, power structures, and individual versus collective liberty. Their conversation disentangles common misconceptions, examines historical influences, and considers what a balanced society might look like. Whether you're interested in political philosophy, societal architecture, or just seeing familiar debates from new angles, this episode offers clarity on some of the most enduring questions of our time.

]]>7776b62a-f4d4-4461-be3a-112254a2df7dTue, 07 Apr 2026 10:00:00 GMT<p>In this episode, Dean and Kevin explore the deep questions surrounding socialism, capitalism, power structures, and individual versus collective liberty. Their conversation disentangles common misconceptions, examines historical influences, and considers what a balanced society might look like. Whether you're interested in political philosophy, societal architecture, or just seeing familiar debates from new angles, this episode offers clarity on some of the most enduring questions of our time.</p>no01:15:32110Episode 10: Me vs. Wefull<![CDATA[Episode 9: By Any Other Name ]]>This conversation explores the complexities of political terminology, societal structures, and the importance of nuanced dialogue in understanding issues like socialism, capitalism, and group identity. Kevin Shively and Dean Bagley delve into historical contexts, psychological triggers, and the need for honest, open conversations to bridge ideological divides.

]]>d0f2f73f-97ac-4ac4-bd02-55b6e8604967Tue, 31 Mar 2026 10:00:00 GMT<p>This conversation explores the complexities of political terminology, societal structures, and the importance of nuanced dialogue in understanding issues like socialism, capitalism, and group identity. Kevin Shively and Dean Bagley delve into historical contexts, psychological triggers, and the need for honest, open conversations to bridge ideological divides.</p>no01:14:35Episode 9: By Any Other Name full<![CDATA[Episode 8: Are You a Fascist?]]>In this episode of the Asynchrony Podcast, hosts Kevin Shively and Dean Bagley explore the complexities of political deliberation, partisanship, and the impact of ideological labels on public discourse. They discuss the role of power structures in society, the nature of centralization, and the importance of understanding the language of political identity. The conversation delves into the definitions of fascism and authoritarianism, the media's influence on political narratives, and the dangers of oversimplification in political discourse. Ultimately, they emphasize the need for open dialogue and the modeling of constructive political engagement to foster unity in a divided society.

]]>405f6917-2995-4394-b9cd-cfee8ae413a3Tue, 24 Mar 2026 10:00:00 GMT<p>In this episode of the Asynchrony Podcast, hosts Kevin Shively and Dean Bagley explore the complexities of political deliberation, partisanship, and the impact of ideological labels on public discourse. They discuss the role of power structures in society, the nature of centralization, and the importance of understanding the language of political identity. The conversation delves into the definitions of fascism and authoritarianism, the media's influence on political narratives, and the dangers of oversimplification in political discourse. Ultimately, they emphasize the need for open dialogue and the modeling of constructive political engagement to foster unity in a divided society.</p>no01:10:13Episode 8: Are You a Fascist?full<![CDATA[Episode 6: The Identity Trap]]>In this conversation, Kevin Shively and Dean Bagley explore the intricate relationship between personal identity, group dynamics, and political movements. They discuss how individual and group identities shape political opinions and behaviors, particularly in the context of movements like MAGA and the Tea Party. The dialogue emphasizes the importance of shared values, the impact of local governance, and the need for open conversations to bridge divides and foster understanding in a polarized political landscape.

]]>8d1f32a7-c0f2-40d2-a101-23763fd0c621Tue, 10 Mar 2026 10:00:00 GMT<p>In this conversation, Kevin Shively and Dean Bagley explore the intricate relationship between personal identity, group dynamics, and political movements. They discuss how individual and group identities shape political opinions and behaviors, particularly in the context of movements like MAGA and the Tea Party. The dialogue emphasizes the importance of shared values, the impact of local governance, and the need for open conversations to bridge divides and foster understanding in a polarized political landscape.</p>no01:16:2615Episode 6: The Identity Trapfull<![CDATA[Episode 5: Identity Crisis]]>In this episode of Asynchrony, Kevin Shively and Dean Bagley explore the complex relationship between identity and perspectives, particularly in the context of political division. They discuss how assigned and self-identities influence our views and interactions, the triggering of system one thinking by identity, and the impact of cultural identity on political conversations. The conversation delves into the dangers of making judgments based on identity, the evolution of political identity, and the importance of finding common ground amidst divisive times. Ultimately, they emphasize the need for a shared narrative and understanding to bridge the gaps created by differing identities.

]]>dbbdc52d-7a12-42fd-9e9e-1814aa91be38Tue, 03 Mar 2026 11:00:00 GMT<p>In this episode of Asynchrony, Kevin Shively and Dean Bagley explore the complex relationship between identity and perspectives, particularly in the context of political division. They discuss how assigned and self-identities influence our views and interactions, the triggering of system one thinking by identity, and the impact of cultural identity on political conversations. The conversation delves into the dangers of making judgments based on identity, the evolution of political identity, and the importance of finding common ground amidst divisive times. Ultimately, they emphasize the need for a shared narrative and understanding to bridge the gaps created by differing identities.</p>no01:11:5315Episode 5: Identity Crisisfull<![CDATA[Is everything a PsyOp?]]>In this preview for Episode 4, Dean and Kevin ask the question whether everything is a PsyOp and discuss the dangers of seeing everything as such.

]]>51c98079-a5cc-4345-9cb2-8e31de922021Thu, 19 Feb 2026 11:00:00 GMT<p>In this preview for Episode 4, Dean and Kevin ask the question whether everything is a PsyOp and discuss the dangers of seeing everything as such.</p>no00:03:4214Is everything a PsyOp?trailer<![CDATA[Episode 4: This is a PsyOp]]>In this conversation, Kevin Shively and Dean Bagley explore the complexities of conspiracy theories, focusing on the psychological and social factors that influence belief systems. They discuss the role of confirmation bias, the impact of partisanship, and the importance of understanding differing perspectives. The Flat Earth theory serves as a case study to illustrate how beliefs can become intertwined with identity and community. The speakers emphasize the need for open dialogue and the importance of balancing skepticism with a willingness to consider alternative viewpoints.In this episode, Kevin Shively and Dean Bagley delve into the complex world of psychological operations (PsyOps) and their implications in modern society. They explore how PsyOps can manifest in various forms, from advertising to social media algorithms, and discuss the fine line between manipulation and persuasion. The conversation highlights the historical context of PsyOps, tracing back to figures like Edward Bernays, and examines how these tactics have evolved with technology. The hosts emphasize the importance of critical thinking in identifying potential PsyOps and the need to discern intent behind information presented to us. They also touch on the role of identity in shaping our perceptions and reactions to manipulation, setting the stage for future discussions on the topic.

]]>564864e5-3b71-4044-8773-70aa7bbab792Tue, 24 Feb 2026 11:00:00 GMT<p>In this conversation, Kevin Shively and Dean Bagley explore the complexities of conspiracy theories, focusing on the psychological and social factors that influence belief systems. They discuss the role of confirmation bias, the impact of partisanship, and the importance of understanding differing perspectives. The Flat Earth theory serves as a case study to illustrate how beliefs can become intertwined with identity and community. The speakers emphasize the need for open dialogue and the importance of balancing skepticism with a willingness to consider alternative <a rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="http://viewpoints.In" target="_blank">viewpoints.In</a> this episode, Kevin Shively and Dean Bagley delve into the complex world of psychological operations (PsyOps) and their implications in modern society. They explore how PsyOps can manifest in various forms, from advertising to social media algorithms, and discuss the fine line between manipulation and persuasion. The conversation highlights the historical context of PsyOps, tracing back to figures like Edward Bernays, and examines how these tactics have evolved with technology. The hosts emphasize the importance of critical thinking in identifying potential PsyOps and the need to discern intent behind information presented to us. They also touch on the role of identity in shaping our perceptions and reactions to manipulation, setting the stage for future discussions on the topic.</p>no01:14:4014Episode 4: This is a PsyOpfull<![CDATA[Next week: The Earth is Flat ]]>In episode 3 of the Asynchrony podcast, Dean and Kevin try to explain their goals for discussing conspiracy theories and conspiratorial thinking. They stress that it is not an attempt to try to prove specific theories as true or false or prove one side right or wrong, but to create a mutual framework that they both can use going forward to evaluate ideas and come to some kind of consensus on what is actually true.

]]>4f804393-6dff-49b0-8188-3f8c33d7f27dThu, 12 Feb 2026 11:00:00 GMT<p>In episode 3 of the Asynchrony podcast, Dean and Kevin try to explain their goals for discussing conspiracy theories and conspiratorial thinking. They stress that it is not an attempt to try to prove specific theories as true or false or prove one side right or wrong, but to create a mutual framework that they both can use going forward to evaluate ideas and come to some kind of consensus on what is actually true. </p>no00:03:1013Next week: The Earth is Flat trailer<![CDATA[Episode 3: The Earth is Flat]]>In this conversation, Kevin Shively and Dean Bagley explore the complexities of conspiracy theories, focusing on the psychological and social factors that influence belief systems. They discuss the role of confirmation bias, the impact of partisanship, and the importance of understanding differing perspectives. The Flat Earth theory serves as a case study to illustrate how beliefs can become intertwined with identity and community. The speakers emphasize the need for open dialogue and the importance of balancing skepticism with a willingness to consider alternative viewpoints.

]]>4ab56b19-b7c1-4147-b1c7-f62870da3bb8Tue, 17 Feb 2026 23:00:00 GMT<p>In this conversation, Kevin Shively and Dean Bagley explore the complexities of conspiracy theories, focusing on the psychological and social factors that influence belief systems. They discuss the role of confirmation bias, the impact of partisanship, and the importance of understanding differing perspectives. The Flat Earth theory serves as a case study to illustrate how beliefs can become intertwined with identity and community. The speakers emphasize the need for open dialogue and the importance of balancing skepticism with a willingness to consider alternative viewpoints.</p>no01:17:1913Episode 3: The Earth is Flatfull<![CDATA[Episode 2: Conspiracy Talk Part 1]]>In this conversation, Kevin Shively and Dean Bagley explore the complex world of conspiracies and conspiracy theories. They discuss the definitions of conspiracies, the nature of disagreement stemming from differing assumptions, and the role of media in shaping public perception. The conversation delves into specific examples, such as the COVID-19 lab leak theory and election integrity, while emphasizing the importance of intent and morality in evaluating actions behind conspiracies. They also highlight the need for a structured analytical framework to facilitate understanding and dialogue, ultimately aiming to find common ground in a polarized landscape.

]]>29d00b32-0aff-443a-a219-3ee4ec7e99d0Tue, 10 Feb 2026 11:00:00 GMT<p>In this conversation, Kevin Shively and Dean Bagley explore the complex world of conspiracies and conspiracy theories. They discuss the definitions of conspiracies, the nature of disagreement stemming from differing assumptions, and the role of media in shaping public perception. The conversation delves into specific examples, such as the COVID-19 lab leak theory and election integrity, while emphasizing the importance of intent and morality in evaluating actions behind conspiracies. They also highlight the need for a structured analytical framework to facilitate understanding and dialogue, ultimately aiming to find common ground in a polarized landscape.</p>no01:15:0712Episode 2: Conspiracy Talk Part 1full<![CDATA[Episode 1: Finding Truth]]>In this inaugural episode, Kevin Shively and Dean Bagley explore their differing perspectives on politics, truth, and the importance of dialogue. They discuss their backgrounds, the evolution of their political awareness, and the influence of media on their views. The conversation delves into the definitions of politics and truth, the balance between freedom and security, and the role of government. They emphasize the need for open dialogue and understanding in a polarized political landscape, aiming to find common ground and truth amidst differing realities.

Takeaways

  • Different Realities
  • Understanding Perspectives Perspectives on government and authority
  • The concept of truth and its application in the real world

Chapters

  • 00:00 Introduction and Background
  • 17:49 Defining Truth and Politics
  • 29:06 Beliefs in Government
  • 39:06 Defining Truth and Narrative Construction
  • 47:08 Beliefs, Morality, and Ethics
  • 53:00 Conspiratorial Thinking and Narrative Perspectives
]]>4f167946-2c48-46f6-a889-94d92ce681c7Tue, 03 Feb 2026 11:00:00 GMT<p>In this inaugural episode, Kevin Shively and Dean Bagley explore their differing perspectives on politics, truth, and the importance of dialogue. They discuss their backgrounds, the evolution of their political awareness, and the influence of media on their views. The conversation delves into the definitions of politics and truth, the balance between freedom and security, and the role of government. They emphasize the need for open dialogue and understanding in a polarized political landscape, aiming to find common ground and truth amidst differing realities.</p><p></p><p>Takeaways</p><ul><li>Different Realities</li><li>Understanding Perspectives Perspectives on government and authority</li><li>The concept of truth and its application in the real world</li></ul><p></p><p>Chapters</p><ul><li>00:00 Introduction and Background</li><li>17:49 Defining Truth and Politics</li><li>29:06 Beliefs in Government</li><li>39:06 Defining Truth and Narrative Construction</li><li>47:08 Beliefs, Morality, and Ethics</li><li>53:00 Conspiratorial Thinking and Narrative Perspectives</li></ul>no01:00:4311Episode 1: Finding Truthfull