<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" version="2.0" xmlns:itunes="http://www.itunes.com/dtds/podcast-1.0.dtd" xmlns:psc="http://podlove.org/simple-chapters" xmlns:podcast="https://podcastindex.org/namespace/1.0"><channel><title><![CDATA[Complexity Cogitators Podcast]]></title><description><![CDATA[We are the complexity cogitators.

We talk about complexity and try to make sense of organizational behaviour.

Show art attribution: Victoruler, CC BY 4.0 , via Wikimedia Commons <br /><br /><a href="https://complexitycogitators.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">complexitycogitators.substack.com</a>]]></description><link>https://complexitycogitators.substack.com/podcast</link><generator>Riverside.fm (https://riverside.com)</generator><lastBuildDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2026 18:19:39 GMT</lastBuildDate><atom:link href="https://api.riverside.fm/hosting/eyth6IuW.rss" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml"/><author><![CDATA[Joakim von Prónay and Marco Ahumada Juntunen]]></author><pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2026 11:34:01 GMT</pubDate><copyright><![CDATA[2026 Joakim von Prónay and Marco Ahumada Juntunen]]></copyright><language><![CDATA[en]]></language><ttl>60</ttl><category><![CDATA[Technology]]></category><category><![CDATA[Philosophy]]></category><itunes:author>Joakim von Prónay and Marco Ahumada Juntunen</itunes:author><itunes:summary>We are the complexity cogitators.

We talk about complexity and try to make sense of organizational behaviour.

Show art attribution: Victoruler, CC BY 4.0 , via Wikimedia Commons &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https://complexitycogitators.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&quot; rel=&quot;noopener noreferrer nofollow&quot;&gt;complexitycogitators.substack.com&lt;/a&gt;</itunes:summary><itunes:type>episodic</itunes:type><itunes:owner><itunes:name>Joakim von Prónay and Marco Ahumada Juntunen</itunes:name><itunes:email>joakim.von.pronay@gmail.com</itunes:email></itunes:owner><itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit><itunes:category text="Technology"/><itunes:category text="Society &amp; Culture"><itunes:category text="Philosophy"/></itunes:category><itunes:image href="https://hosting-media.rs-prod.riverside.fm/media/imports/podcasts/442cc24b-b852-4b5c-87ae-d4c051c452aa/282348d9a9473a6e9c16986584049c67.jpg"/><item><title><![CDATA[#010 - Everything is Strategy...?]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p>Is everything strategy?</p><p>No, everything is not strategy.</p><p>But more than we traditionally believe.</p><p>It is also easier than we think, but more complex than we want it to be.</p>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">dd40b018-bc2d-4488-a6c0-0a3d249ccd65</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Joakim von Prónay and Marco Ahumada Juntunen]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2026 08:52:32 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.riverside.fm/hosting-analytics/media/82d9a0a3336cf09c94cadb9104bf2089e7bdcebfb154be8883ca4e28c1196ea9/eyJlcGlzb2RlSWQiOiJkZDQwYjAxOC1iYzJkLTQ0ODgtYTZjMC0wYTNkMjQ5Y2NkNjUiLCJwb2RjYXN0SWQiOiI0NDJjYzI0Yi1iODUyLTRiNWMtODdhZS1kNGMwNTFjNDUyYWEiLCJhY2NvdW50SWQiOiI2OTIwNGUzYTI1YTYzMDA0N2Y4ZjRhOTkiLCJwYXRoIjoibWVkaWEvY2xpcHMvNjljMjRlZGFlY2FlM2UwNmRjMDJiZTgwL2pvYWtpbS12b24tcHJuYXlzLXN0dWRpby1jb21wb3Nlci0yMDI2LTMtMjRfXzktNDQtMTAubXAzIn0=.mp3" length="23006790" type="audio/mpeg"/><podcast:transcript url="https://hosting-media.rs-prod.riverside.fm/media/podcasts/442cc24b-b852-4b5c-87ae-d4c051c452aa/episodes/dd40b018-bc2d-4488-a6c0-0a3d249ccd65/transcripts.txt" type="text/plain"/><itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;Is everything strategy?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;No, everything is not strategy.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;But more than we traditionally believe.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;It is also easier than we think, but more complex than we want it to be.&lt;/p&gt;</itunes:summary><itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit><itunes:duration>00:47:56</itunes:duration><itunes:image href="https://hosting-media.rs-prod.riverside.fm/media/podcasts/442cc24b-b852-4b5c-87ae-d4c051c452aa/episodes/dd40b018-bc2d-4488-a6c0-0a3d249ccd65/images/cd4ecc53-2663-4ae7-8cce-e3687d2c5e21.jpeg"/><itunes:episode>10</itunes:episode><itunes:title>#010 - Everything is Strategy...?</itunes:title><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title><![CDATA[#009 - Insufficient Collaboration]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p>Still inspired by nomadology from the minds of Deleuze and Guattari, we set out on a conversation to explore the question - how do you set and express boundaries within which the war machine can move and operate freely while still living up to the state's demands for legibility, while also enabling and incentivizing collaboration?</p>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">dad3aa76-eb8c-4983-ba2b-907e2df84fdb</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Joakim von Prónay and Marco Ahumada Juntunen]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2026 09:23:06 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.riverside.fm/hosting-analytics/media/a8aae64ac84d726d0a1adf953ef3cbbcb7ae4baaa0c9d4161b8adc7ebf87e829/eyJlcGlzb2RlSWQiOiJkYWQzYWE3Ni1lYjhjLTQ5ODMtYmEyYi05MDdlMmRmODRmZGIiLCJwb2RjYXN0SWQiOiI0NDJjYzI0Yi1iODUyLTRiNWMtODdhZS1kNGMwNTFjNDUyYWEiLCJhY2NvdW50SWQiOiI2OTIwNGUzYTI1YTYzMDA0N2Y4ZjRhOTkiLCJwYXRoIjoibWVkaWEvY2xpcHMvNjk5ZDZhYzQzOTIzOGIxNDRlMWI1YTg0L2pvYWtpbS12b24tcHJuYXlzLXN0dWRpby1jb21wb3Nlci0yMDI2LTItMjRfXzEwLTktMjQubXAzIn0=.mp3" length="19773249" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;Still inspired by nomadology from the minds of Deleuze and Guattari, we set out on a conversation to explore the question - how do you set and express boundaries within which the war machine can move and operate freely while still living up to the state&apos;s demands for legibility, while also enabling and incentivizing collaboration?&lt;/p&gt;</itunes:summary><itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit><itunes:duration>00:41:12</itunes:duration><itunes:image href="https://hosting-media.rs-prod.riverside.fm/media/podcasts/442cc24b-b852-4b5c-87ae-d4c051c452aa/episodes/dad3aa76-eb8c-4983-ba2b-907e2df84fdb/images/d208b947-e031-44c1-bc12-757680c4ed09.jpeg"/><itunes:episode>9</itunes:episode><itunes:title>#009 - Insufficient Collaboration</itunes:title><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title><![CDATA[#008 - Agile Nomadology]]></title><description><![CDATA[<ul><li>What ever happened to the agile revolution that was supposed to come? </li><li>Or did it already happen and quietly got absorbed into normality for software development companies? </li><li>In today's conversation, we are applying the lens of nomadology, a concept by Gilles Deleuze and Felix Guattari to, perhaps, say that what happened to the agile movement with a capital A was completely natural.</li></ul>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">674257f3-b3be-4c4e-8186-d084a5d49135</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Joakim von Prónay and Marco Ahumada Juntunen]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2026 08:06:11 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.riverside.fm/hosting-analytics/media/9046a4d4a6eb5081ba18b72b67564a13e5678b323882e044a3e0d414613098ce/eyJlcGlzb2RlSWQiOiI2NzQyNTdmMy1iM2JlLTRjNGUtODE4Ni1kMDg0YTVkNDkxMzUiLCJwb2RjYXN0SWQiOiI0NDJjYzI0Yi1iODUyLTRiNWMtODdhZS1kNGMwNTFjNDUyYWEiLCJhY2NvdW50SWQiOiI2OTIwNGUzYTI1YTYzMDA0N2Y4ZjRhOTkiLCJwYXRoIjoibWVkaWEvY2xpcHMvNjk5NmJjZWQzMzNkMzNkY2JjMjIyMjgwL2pvYWtpbS12b24tcHJuYXlzLXN0dWRpby1jb21wb3Nlci0yMDI2LTItMTlfXzgtMzQtNS5tcDMifQ==.mp3" length="19780145" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:summary>&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;What ever happened to the agile revolution that was supposed to come? &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Or did it already happen and quietly got absorbed into normality for software development companies? &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;In today&apos;s conversation, we are applying the lens of nomadology, a concept by Gilles Deleuze and Felix Guattari to, perhaps, say that what happened to the agile movement with a capital A was completely natural.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;</itunes:summary><itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit><itunes:duration>00:41:12</itunes:duration><itunes:image href="https://hosting-media.rs-prod.riverside.fm/media/podcasts/442cc24b-b852-4b5c-87ae-d4c051c452aa/episodes/674257f3-b3be-4c4e-8186-d084a5d49135/images/84871a23-6c3f-4ede-9045-a6a5b8b819f8.jpeg"/><itunes:episode>8</itunes:episode><itunes:title>#008 - Agile Nomadology</itunes:title><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title><![CDATA[#007 - Maturity Models]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p>Should you always use a maturity model?</p><p>And what makes them useful?</p><p>Furthermore, what is the difference between a model and a framework?</p>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">62867be8-4269-4862-8f24-285e9c336a67</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Joakim von Prónay and Marco Ahumada Juntunen]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2026 07:52:09 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.riverside.fm/hosting-analytics/media/5ffa27c80b83def8ec5d0b3b7772cbeb470d9947257da448e4111cdd0801011b/eyJlcGlzb2RlSWQiOiI2Mjg2N2JlOC00MjY5LTQ4NjItOGYyNC0yODVlOWMzMzZhNjciLCJwb2RjYXN0SWQiOiI0NDJjYzI0Yi1iODUyLTRiNWMtODdhZS1kNGMwNTFjNDUyYWEiLCJhY2NvdW50SWQiOiI2OTIwNGUzYTI1YTYzMDA0N2Y4ZjRhOTkiLCJwYXRoIjoibWVkaWEvY2xpcHMvNjk4MGE2NGI0ZDcwNDI0MDgxMzkxZDZlL2pvYWtpbS12b24tcHJuYXlzLXN0dWRpby1jb21wb3Nlci0yMDI2LTItMl9fMTQtMjctMzkubXAzIn0=.mp3" length="20183475" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;Should you always use a maturity model?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;And what makes them useful?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Furthermore, what is the difference between a model and a framework?&lt;/p&gt;</itunes:summary><itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit><itunes:duration>00:42:03</itunes:duration><itunes:image href="https://hosting-media.rs-prod.riverside.fm/media/podcasts/442cc24b-b852-4b5c-87ae-d4c051c452aa/episodes/62867be8-4269-4862-8f24-285e9c336a67/images/243644f7-1f6a-438d-90e9-9687685f5e1b.jpeg"/><itunes:episode>7</itunes:episode><itunes:title>#007 - Maturity Models</itunes:title><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title><![CDATA[#005 - Uncertainty and Predictability]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p>Predictability… what does it mean in complex environments with inherent uncertainty? </p><p>Is it simple to achieve in enterprise software development organizations, as I claim? </p><p>Is it an emergent property, as Marco says? </p><p>Or is it both? </p> <br /><br />This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit <a href="https://complexitycogitators.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=CTA_2" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">complexitycogitators.substack.com/subscribe</a>]]></description><link>https://complexitycogitators.substack.com/p/005-uncertainty-and-predictability</link><guid isPermaLink="false">substack:post:183787391</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Joakim von Prónay and Marco Ahumada Juntunen]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2026 13:20:04 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.riverside.fm/hosting-analytics/media/e5c894002a890eb98ea3fab9d9d9eee0ee028cf231bbcbab0ff8ccb8e2a470c4/eyJlcGlzb2RlSWQiOiJmMzA5ZGU0NC1iYzM2LTQ5NjYtODg0ZC02OWQ4ZDExZmJjYjUiLCJwb2RjYXN0SWQiOiI0NDJjYzI0Yi1iODUyLTRiNWMtODdhZS1kNGMwNTFjNDUyYWEiLCJhY2NvdW50SWQiOiI2OTIwNGUzYTI1YTYzMDA0N2Y4ZjRhOTkiLCJwYXRoIjoibWVkaWEvaW1wb3J0cy9wb2RjYXN0cy80NDJjYzI0Yi1iODUyLTRiNWMtODdhZS1kNGMwNTFjNDUyYWEvZXBpc29kZXMvZjMwOWRlNDQtYmMzNi00OTY2LTg4NGQtNjlkOGQxMWZiY2I1LzY3YjZjN2YwYTI3NTk0ZTVjNDY4MWIwZmM2YjVjNTM0Lm1wMyJ9.mp3" length="28886876" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;Predictability… what does it mean in complex environments with inherent uncertainty? &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Is it simple to achieve in enterprise software development organizations, as I claim? &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Is it an emergent property, as Marco says? &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Or is it both? &lt;/p&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is a public episode. If you&apos;d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit &lt;a href=&quot;https://complexitycogitators.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&amp;amp;utm_campaign=CTA_2&quot; rel=&quot;noopener noreferrer nofollow&quot;&gt;complexitycogitators.substack.com/subscribe&lt;/a&gt;</itunes:summary><itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit><itunes:duration>00:40:07</itunes:duration><itunes:image href="https://hosting-media.rs-prod.riverside.fm/media/imports/podcasts/442cc24b-b852-4b5c-87ae-d4c051c452aa/episodes/f309de44-bc36-4966-884d-69d8d11fbcb5/9bc3885b095c08c7e6d27c0c577bcc6c.jpg"/><itunes:episode>5</itunes:episode><itunes:title>#005 - Uncertainty and Predictability</itunes:title><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title><![CDATA[#002 - Agile]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p>Is Agile dead?</p><p>If so, have we already started the transition to the next paradigm?</p><p>Or, is Ashby’s law reason enough for agility to be immortal?</p><p>That is what this episode of Complexity Cogitators is about.</p> <br /><br />This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit <a href="https://complexitycogitators.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=CTA_2" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">complexitycogitators.substack.com/subscribe</a>]]></description><link>https://complexitycogitators.substack.com/p/002-agile</link><guid isPermaLink="false">substack:post:180403290</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Joakim von Prónay and Marco Ahumada Juntunen]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2025 09:00:00 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.riverside.fm/hosting-analytics/media/97ea89b5413523a371944711675dc22c821cc184a74217ea7ed651e9cceb6a90/eyJlcGlzb2RlSWQiOiJlZGUwYjNlZi02Zjg3LTQ3YmMtYjY2OS02ODIxODEwOWRhOTAiLCJwb2RjYXN0SWQiOiI0NDJjYzI0Yi1iODUyLTRiNWMtODdhZS1kNGMwNTFjNDUyYWEiLCJhY2NvdW50SWQiOiI2OTIwNGUzYTI1YTYzMDA0N2Y4ZjRhOTkiLCJwYXRoIjoibWVkaWEvaW1wb3J0cy9wb2RjYXN0cy80NDJjYzI0Yi1iODUyLTRiNWMtODdhZS1kNGMwNTFjNDUyYWEvZXBpc29kZXMvZWRlMGIzZWYtNmY4Ny00N2JjLWI2NjktNjgyMTgxMDlkYTkwL2U4ZTJkZmQzYjBkZGVmZmFkZDk1NGMzYThhNTg5MjBhLm1wMyJ9.mp3" length="36910438" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;Is Agile dead?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;If so, have we already started the transition to the next paradigm?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Or, is Ashby’s law reason enough for agility to be immortal?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;That is what this episode of Complexity Cogitators is about.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is a public episode. If you&apos;d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit &lt;a href=&quot;https://complexitycogitators.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&amp;amp;utm_campaign=CTA_2&quot; rel=&quot;noopener noreferrer nofollow&quot;&gt;complexitycogitators.substack.com/subscribe&lt;/a&gt;</itunes:summary><itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit><itunes:duration>00:51:16</itunes:duration><itunes:image href="https://hosting-media.rs-prod.riverside.fm/media/imports/podcasts/442cc24b-b852-4b5c-87ae-d4c051c452aa/episodes/ede0b3ef-6f87-47bc-b669-68218109da90/6fc8f1095d3b3d04cbfe0bd5934292ed.jpg"/><itunes:episode>2</itunes:episode><itunes:title>#002 - Agile</itunes:title><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title><![CDATA[#001 - Culture]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p>What is organizational culture?</p><p>Is there a definition that clearly explains what you need to know?</p><p>And in order to influence culture, what should you measure?</p><p>Can you measure culture?</p><p>That is what this inagural episode of Complexity Cogitators is about.</p> <br /><br />This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit <a href="https://complexitycogitators.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=CTA_2" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">complexitycogitators.substack.com/subscribe</a>]]></description><link>https://complexitycogitators.substack.com/p/001-complexity-cogitators</link><guid isPermaLink="false">substack:post:179912381</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Joakim von Prónay and Marco Ahumada Juntunen]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2025 11:59:49 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.riverside.fm/hosting-analytics/media/0dcab241a692f81bca885828c130681382aa45cebfea8a1e4421f7b274a0eedc/eyJlcGlzb2RlSWQiOiI3MWVlMmQ2Zi1kYjM0LTRjNTYtODUxYy1lYmQ0ZTllZWFiNzciLCJwb2RjYXN0SWQiOiI0NDJjYzI0Yi1iODUyLTRiNWMtODdhZS1kNGMwNTFjNDUyYWEiLCJhY2NvdW50SWQiOiI2OTIwNGUzYTI1YTYzMDA0N2Y4ZjRhOTkiLCJwYXRoIjoibWVkaWEvaW1wb3J0cy9wb2RjYXN0cy80NDJjYzI0Yi1iODUyLTRiNWMtODdhZS1kNGMwNTFjNDUyYWEvZXBpc29kZXMvNzFlZTJkNmYtZGIzNC00YzU2LTg1MWMtZWJkNGU5ZWVhYjc3LzFiYTZiMDRlODViMzkxMDMzMzkxZGM1NGExYzMyNWQ4Lm1wMyJ9.mp3" length="32729383" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;What is organizational culture?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Is there a definition that clearly explains what you need to know?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;And in order to influence culture, what should you measure?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Can you measure culture?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;That is what this inagural episode of Complexity Cogitators is about.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is a public episode. If you&apos;d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit &lt;a href=&quot;https://complexitycogitators.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&amp;amp;utm_campaign=CTA_2&quot; rel=&quot;noopener noreferrer nofollow&quot;&gt;complexitycogitators.substack.com/subscribe&lt;/a&gt;</itunes:summary><itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit><itunes:duration>00:45:27</itunes:duration><itunes:image href="https://hosting-media.rs-prod.riverside.fm/media/imports/podcasts/442cc24b-b852-4b5c-87ae-d4c051c452aa/episodes/71ee2d6f-db34-4c56-851c-ebd4e9eeab77/fc87af4a83ac6bedfda07294463c2e1a.jpg"/><itunes:episode>1</itunes:episode><itunes:title>#001 - Culture</itunes:title><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title><![CDATA[#003 - Leadership - part 1]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p>What is leadership? </p><p>That is what we are trying to scrape the surface of in this conversation. </p><p>As this turned out to be a long conversation it is split in two parts. </p><p>In this part one we are mostly centered around the full range leadership model as a lens to view and understand leadership in organizations.</p> <br /><br />This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit <a href="https://complexitycogitators.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=CTA_2" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">complexitycogitators.substack.com/subscribe</a>]]></description><link>https://complexitycogitators.substack.com/p/003-leadership-part-1</link><guid isPermaLink="false">substack:post:181669195</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Joakim von Prónay and Marco Ahumada Juntunen]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2025 10:36:24 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.riverside.fm/hosting-analytics/media/51dd81d990fb261173ffb7ac55e0176b24930c3b3522f466e6ac1fa5ed751ddd/eyJlcGlzb2RlSWQiOiI3Nzg1MmE4OC1iMzM1LTRjMmUtYjdhZi04ZGY3ZDJiYWIzN2EiLCJwb2RjYXN0SWQiOiI0NDJjYzI0Yi1iODUyLTRiNWMtODdhZS1kNGMwNTFjNDUyYWEiLCJhY2NvdW50SWQiOiI2OTIwNGUzYTI1YTYzMDA0N2Y4ZjRhOTkiLCJwYXRoIjoibWVkaWEvaW1wb3J0cy9wb2RjYXN0cy80NDJjYzI0Yi1iODUyLTRiNWMtODdhZS1kNGMwNTFjNDUyYWEvZXBpc29kZXMvNzc4NTJhODgtYjMzNS00YzJlLWI3YWYtOGRmN2QyYmFiMzdhLzYzNjU2ZDIzZDcwYjM0MjZjOGM3MDEyMTI1YTFiNzg2Lm1wMyJ9.mp3" length="35010814" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;What is leadership? &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;That is what we are trying to scrape the surface of in this conversation. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;As this turned out to be a long conversation it is split in two parts. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;In this part one we are mostly centered around the full range leadership model as a lens to view and understand leadership in organizations.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is a public episode. If you&apos;d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit &lt;a href=&quot;https://complexitycogitators.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&amp;amp;utm_campaign=CTA_2&quot; rel=&quot;noopener noreferrer nofollow&quot;&gt;complexitycogitators.substack.com/subscribe&lt;/a&gt;</itunes:summary><itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit><itunes:duration>00:48:38</itunes:duration><itunes:image href="https://hosting-media.rs-prod.riverside.fm/media/imports/podcasts/442cc24b-b852-4b5c-87ae-d4c051c452aa/episodes/77852a88-b335-4c2e-b7af-8df7d2bab37a/ac317d69949b82e01ca9b7466ea199bc.jpg"/><itunes:episode>3</itunes:episode><itunes:title>#003 - Leadership - part 1</itunes:title><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title><![CDATA[#004 - Leadership - part 2]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p>What is leadership? </p><p>As we continue to scrape the surface of that question, in this part two of our conversation we start to touch on the complexity of leadership and talk about emergent leadership behaviours as well as non-directional leadership. </p> <br /><br />This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit <a href="https://complexitycogitators.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=CTA_2" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">complexitycogitators.substack.com/subscribe</a>]]></description><link>https://complexitycogitators.substack.com/p/004-leadership-part-2</link><guid isPermaLink="false">substack:post:181669659</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Joakim von Prónay and Marco Ahumada Juntunen]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2025 08:01:51 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.riverside.fm/hosting-analytics/media/6e904946cd3a33a6ce6a739351438d72bf7075cc5d64e66cb90599f6905fda15/eyJlcGlzb2RlSWQiOiI3ZjdhZTYwMC0wOTMzLTQ3ODYtOTE1Mi1kMmMwOGUxNjRkYTAiLCJwb2RjYXN0SWQiOiI0NDJjYzI0Yi1iODUyLTRiNWMtODdhZS1kNGMwNTFjNDUyYWEiLCJhY2NvdW50SWQiOiI2OTIwNGUzYTI1YTYzMDA0N2Y4ZjRhOTkiLCJwYXRoIjoibWVkaWEvaW1wb3J0cy9wb2RjYXN0cy80NDJjYzI0Yi1iODUyLTRiNWMtODdhZS1kNGMwNTFjNDUyYWEvZXBpc29kZXMvN2Y3YWU2MDAtMDkzMy00Nzg2LTkxNTItZDJjMDhlMTY0ZGEwLzVkNWE1OGEzYzkwYzYyZGU2NDcyZTI1ZWI4MThjNDcyLm1wMyJ9.mp3" length="18251800" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;What is leadership? &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;As we continue to scrape the surface of that question, in this part two of our conversation we start to touch on the complexity of leadership and talk about emergent leadership behaviours as well as non-directional leadership. &lt;/p&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is a public episode. If you&apos;d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit &lt;a href=&quot;https://complexitycogitators.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&amp;amp;utm_campaign=CTA_2&quot; rel=&quot;noopener noreferrer nofollow&quot;&gt;complexitycogitators.substack.com/subscribe&lt;/a&gt;</itunes:summary><itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit><itunes:duration>00:25:21</itunes:duration><itunes:image href="https://hosting-media.rs-prod.riverside.fm/media/imports/podcasts/442cc24b-b852-4b5c-87ae-d4c051c452aa/episodes/7f7ae600-0933-4786-9152-d2c08e164da0/42383250876cd0a13bed6074f13dec61.jpg"/><itunes:episode>4</itunes:episode><itunes:title>#004 - Leadership - part 2</itunes:title><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title><![CDATA[#006 - Goals and Feedback]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p>What is the difference between fedback and feed-forward? </p><p>What separates a first order cybernetic system from a second order cybernetic system? </p><p>And how is this connected to how we formulate goals, both personal and the goals we set in organizations? </p> <br /><br />This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit <a href="https://complexitycogitators.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=CTA_2" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">complexitycogitators.substack.com/subscribe</a>]]></description><link>https://complexitycogitators.substack.com/p/006-goals-and-feedback</link><guid isPermaLink="false">substack:post:185058315</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Joakim von Prónay and Marco Ahumada Juntunen]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2026 12:53:09 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.riverside.fm/hosting-analytics/media/ee8fb659ae7116409e7d94d919eea43d5432d6b43b76215cf6783f304c8bc0c4/eyJlcGlzb2RlSWQiOiJlNjhjNGFlZC1hNDc5LTRlMDEtOGFmNi1hZjcyYjE5NmE2NzgiLCJwb2RjYXN0SWQiOiI0NDJjYzI0Yi1iODUyLTRiNWMtODdhZS1kNGMwNTFjNDUyYWEiLCJhY2NvdW50SWQiOiI2OTIwNGUzYTI1YTYzMDA0N2Y4ZjRhOTkiLCJwYXRoIjoibWVkaWEvaW1wb3J0cy9wb2RjYXN0cy80NDJjYzI0Yi1iODUyLTRiNWMtODdhZS1kNGMwNTFjNDUyYWEvZXBpc29kZXMvZTY4YzRhZWQtYTQ3OS00ZTAxLThhZjYtYWY3MmIxOTZhNjc4L2Q3YWNmYzM0OTgyYzQzZTlhZTYzNTg2MTU1MGE3NzI2Lm1wMyJ9.mp3" length="32693961" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;What is the difference between fedback and feed-forward? &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;What separates a first order cybernetic system from a second order cybernetic system? &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;And how is this connected to how we formulate goals, both personal and the goals we set in organizations? &lt;/p&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is a public episode. If you&apos;d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit &lt;a href=&quot;https://complexitycogitators.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&amp;amp;utm_campaign=CTA_2&quot; rel=&quot;noopener noreferrer nofollow&quot;&gt;complexitycogitators.substack.com/subscribe&lt;/a&gt;</itunes:summary><itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit><itunes:duration>00:45:24</itunes:duration><itunes:image href="https://hosting-media.rs-prod.riverside.fm/media/imports/podcasts/442cc24b-b852-4b5c-87ae-d4c051c452aa/episodes/e68c4aed-a479-4e01-8af6-af72b196a678/1abfd31be8f5ae49343c2ab3e36b4f60.jpg"/><itunes:episode>6</itunes:episode><itunes:title>#006 - Goals and Feedback</itunes:title><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item></channel></rss>