<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" version="2.0" xmlns:itunes="http://www.itunes.com/dtds/podcast-1.0.dtd" xmlns:psc="http://podlove.org/simple-chapters" xmlns:podcast="https://podcastindex.org/namespace/1.0"><channel><title><![CDATA[Both Sides of the Table]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p>Both Sides of the Table brings enterprise leaders and founders into the same conversation about decisions, expectations, and execution. </p><p></p><p>Hosted by Jessica Walther, CEO and Co-Founder of Itivate, the podcast features candid conversations about leadership, accountability, and what it actually takes to move opportunities forward across enterprises and growing businesses.</p>]]></description><link>www.itivate.com</link><generator>Riverside.fm (https://riverside.com)</generator><lastBuildDate>Thu, 28 May 2026 18:37:35 GMT</lastBuildDate><atom:link href="https://api.riverside.com/hosting/oTWTaHGR.rss" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml"/><author><![CDATA[Jessica Walther, Itivate]]></author><pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2026 15:03:38 GMT</pubDate><copyright><![CDATA[2026 Jessica Walther, Itivate]]></copyright><language><![CDATA[en]]></language><ttl>60</ttl><category><![CDATA[Business]]></category><category><![CDATA[Entrepreneurship]]></category><itunes:author>Jessica Walther, Itivate</itunes:author><itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;Both Sides of the Table brings enterprise leaders and founders into the same conversation about decisions, expectations, and execution. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Hosted by Jessica Walther, CEO and Co-Founder of Itivate, the podcast features candid conversations about leadership, accountability, and what it actually takes to move opportunities forward across enterprises and growing businesses.&lt;/p&gt;</itunes:summary><itunes:type>episodic</itunes:type><itunes:owner><itunes:name>Jessica Walther, Itivate</itunes:name><itunes:email>jessica.walther@itivate.com</itunes:email></itunes:owner><itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit><itunes:category text="Business"><itunes:category text="Entrepreneurship"/></itunes:category><itunes:image href="https://hosting-media.riverside.com/media/podcasts/093cc442-43de-40cd-b7ac-847ff0f0cab7/logos/36263d64-7905-44e1-be27-08c452b7c0d4.png"/><item><title><![CDATA[(#4) Why More Sales Won’t Scale Your Brand (And What Will)]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p>Most founders think more sales will fix their growth problems. But if your business can’t consistently turn sales into delivered results, more demand actually creates more chaos—not more growth.</p><p></p><p>In this episode, Jessica breaks down what’s really happening behind the scenes when scaling feels harder than it should. She explains why deals that feel “close” often stall, what buyers are actually evaluating after your pitch, and how small breakdowns in execution quietly kill momentum.</p><p></p><p>You’ll walk away with a simple way to identify where your business is slowing down—and what to fix first so growth actually becomes sustainable.</p><p><br />Scaling isn’t about working harder or selling more. It’s about building a business that can handle growth without you stepping in every time something breaks.</p><p><br />If you're ready to identify where your business is slowing down, <a rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://calendly.com/d/cqh5-m85-y7q/discovery-session-with-itivate" target="_blank">book a Scaling Diagnostic here</a> to pinpoint exactly what’s holding you back and what to fix first.</p><hr />]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">4c77b4bd-816c-40c7-8552-4b244232561c</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Jessica Walther, Itivate]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2026 16:56:32 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.riverside.com/hosting-analytics/media/924d2816c1b90e26d11d5d42d481ae8fbcc1ca73b5ca13379dc6df0df3bff706/eyJlcGlzb2RlSWQiOiI0Yzc3YjRiZC04MTZjLTQwYzctODU1Mi00YjI0NDIzMjU2MWMiLCJwb2RjYXN0SWQiOiIwOTNjYzQ0Mi00M2RlLTQwY2QtYjdhYy04NDdmZjBmMGNhYjciLCJhY2NvdW50SWQiOiI2ODI0ZTA0ZjkyYmQ5YmNhMWU0MDBmYmQiLCJwYXRoIjoibWVkaWEvY2xpcHMvNjlmYjZlZWNjMTg3ZWFlMzA5ZDMwYWEzL2plc3NpY2Etd2FsdGhlci1pdGl2YXRlcy1zdHVkaW8tY29tcG9zZXItMjAyNi01LTZfXzE4LTQwLTEyLm1wMyJ9.mp3" length="11593396" type="audio/mpeg"/><podcast:transcript url="https://hosting-media.riverside.com/media/podcasts/093cc442-43de-40cd-b7ac-847ff0f0cab7/episodes/4c77b4bd-816c-40c7-8552-4b244232561c/transcripts.txt" type="text/plain"/><itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;Most founders think more sales will fix their growth problems. But if your business can’t consistently turn sales into delivered results, more demand actually creates more chaos—not more growth.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;In this episode, Jessica breaks down what’s really happening behind the scenes when scaling feels harder than it should. She explains why deals that feel “close” often stall, what buyers are actually evaluating after your pitch, and how small breakdowns in execution quietly kill momentum.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;You’ll walk away with a simple way to identify where your business is slowing down—and what to fix first so growth actually becomes sustainable.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Scaling isn’t about working harder or selling more. It’s about building a business that can handle growth without you stepping in every time something breaks.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you&apos;re ready to identify where your business is slowing down, &lt;a rel=&quot;noopener noreferrer nofollow&quot; href=&quot;https://calendly.com/d/cqh5-m85-y7q/discovery-session-with-itivate&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;book a Scaling Diagnostic here&lt;/a&gt; to pinpoint exactly what’s holding you back and what to fix first.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;hr /&gt;</itunes:summary><itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit><itunes:duration>00:06:02</itunes:duration><itunes:image href="https://hosting-media.riverside.com/media/podcasts/093cc442-43de-40cd-b7ac-847ff0f0cab7/logos/36263d64-7905-44e1-be27-08c452b7c0d4.png"/><itunes:title>(#4) Why More Sales Won’t Scale Your Brand (And What Will)</itunes:title><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title><![CDATA[(#3) Scaling Isn't Sales.  It's Systems.]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p>You landed the deal. Now your systems have to deliver.</p><p>Most founders think scaling is a sales problem. But it's not, and this is where corporate deals are won or lost.</p><p></p><p>In this episode, we break down why landing large customers exposes the real constraint in your business — and why more tools, more data, and more effort won’t fix it, and why building systems that actually work under pressure will. If you’re trying to grow into corporate deals, you're in the right place. </p><p></p><p><b>What You’ll Learn</b></p><ul><li>Why sales-only scaling creates uncontrollable risk</li><li>The three places scaling breaks: demand, production, fulfillment</li><li>Why “we’ll figure it out” kills enterprise trust</li><li>How weak systems erode deals faster than you think</li><li>Why tech won’t fix broken systems (and what to do instead)</li><li>The one place to focus first when your business feels chaotic</li></ul><p></p><p><b>Timestamps</b><br />00:00 - The real challenge behind scaling your brand<br />00:29 - The lie that scaling is just sales and marketing<br />00:58 - Why landing the deal isn’t enough<br />1:26 - What happens when you land large customers <br />1:55 - Erosion of customer trust when delivery fails<br />2:25 - Why more data and tools don’t solve scaling issues<br />2:54 - The danger of layering technology on broken systems<br />3:22 - How to diagnose where your systems are breaking<br />3:52 - Pitfalls of overestimating sales forecasting<br />4:21 - The danger of faking it<br />5:21 - Production: Maintaining consistent, scalable output<br />5:46 - Delivery: Building trust through reliable metrics<br />6:16 - The importance of KPIs for corporate relationships<br />6:44 - Help your team can see and fix root causes quickly<br />7:14 - How to recover trust when systems fail<br />7:43 - Stop reacting and fix your brand's constraint<br />9:12 - Fix the process first, layer in technology second<br />9:50 - Why ERP systems often fail to address real issues<br />10:20 - Practical advice: Where your business is inconsistent<br />11:19 - The free diagnostic guide to identify your bottleneck<br />11:46 - How to listen to your business's operational signals</p><p></p><p><b>Get Your Scaling Guide </b><a rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://rebrand.ly/Corporate-Scale" target="_blank"><b>Here</b></a></p><p><b>More Free Resources </b><a rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/jwalther1105/" target="_blank"><b>Here</b></a></p>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">074515d7-a35d-4115-b5ed-5de5036c8f7f</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Jessica Walther, Itivate]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2026 14:43:34 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.riverside.com/hosting-analytics/media/bc66e5a8e98e796fa3bb0a3a40639d552b5db9c6a4fbf0211e5a627e5d72b7d3/eyJlcGlzb2RlSWQiOiIwNzQ1MTVkNy1hMzVkLTQxMTUtYjVlZC01ZGU1MDM2YzhmN2YiLCJwb2RjYXN0SWQiOiIwOTNjYzQ0Mi00M2RlLTQwY2QtYjdhYy04NDdmZjBmMGNhYjciLCJhY2NvdW50SWQiOiI2ODI0ZTA0ZjkyYmQ5YmNhMWU0MDBmYmQiLCJwYXRoIjoibWVkaWEvY2xpcHMvNjlkOTA1ZjE4MWFkMjFhY2RkYWQ2ZGFiL2plc3NpY2Etd2FsdGhlci1pdGl2YXRlcy1zdHVkaW8tY29tcG9zZXItMjAyNi00LTEwX18xNi0xNS0xMy5tcDMifQ==.mp3" length="18593271" type="audio/mpeg"/><podcast:transcript url="https://hosting-media.riverside.com/media/podcasts/093cc442-43de-40cd-b7ac-847ff0f0cab7/episodes/074515d7-a35d-4115-b5ed-5de5036c8f7f/transcripts.txt" type="text/plain"/><itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;You landed the deal. Now your systems have to deliver.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Most founders think scaling is a sales problem. But it&apos;s not, and this is where corporate deals are won or lost.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;In this episode, we break down why landing large customers exposes the real constraint in your business — and why more tools, more data, and more effort won’t fix it, and why building systems that actually work under pressure will. If you’re trying to grow into corporate deals, you&apos;re in the right place. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;What You’ll Learn&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Why sales-only scaling creates uncontrollable risk&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;The three places scaling breaks: demand, production, fulfillment&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Why “we’ll figure it out” kills enterprise trust&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;How weak systems erode deals faster than you think&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Why tech won’t fix broken systems (and what to do instead)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;The one place to focus first when your business feels chaotic&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Timestamps&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;00:00 - The real challenge behind scaling your brand&lt;br /&gt;00:29 - The lie that scaling is just sales and marketing&lt;br /&gt;00:58 - Why landing the deal isn’t enough&lt;br /&gt;1:26 - What happens when you land large customers &lt;br /&gt;1:55 - Erosion of customer trust when delivery fails&lt;br /&gt;2:25 - Why more data and tools don’t solve scaling issues&lt;br /&gt;2:54 - The danger of layering technology on broken systems&lt;br /&gt;3:22 - How to diagnose where your systems are breaking&lt;br /&gt;3:52 - Pitfalls of overestimating sales forecasting&lt;br /&gt;4:21 - The danger of faking it&lt;br /&gt;5:21 - Production: Maintaining consistent, scalable output&lt;br /&gt;5:46 - Delivery: Building trust through reliable metrics&lt;br /&gt;6:16 - The importance of KPIs for corporate relationships&lt;br /&gt;6:44 - Help your team can see and fix root causes quickly&lt;br /&gt;7:14 - How to recover trust when systems fail&lt;br /&gt;7:43 - Stop reacting and fix your brand&apos;s constraint&lt;br /&gt;9:12 - Fix the process first, layer in technology second&lt;br /&gt;9:50 - Why ERP systems often fail to address real issues&lt;br /&gt;10:20 - Practical advice: Where your business is inconsistent&lt;br /&gt;11:19 - The free diagnostic guide to identify your bottleneck&lt;br /&gt;11:46 - How to listen to your business&apos;s operational signals&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Get Your Scaling Guide &lt;/b&gt;&lt;a rel=&quot;noopener noreferrer nofollow&quot; href=&quot;https://rebrand.ly/Corporate-Scale&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Here&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;More Free Resources &lt;/b&gt;&lt;a rel=&quot;noopener noreferrer nofollow&quot; href=&quot;https://www.linkedin.com/in/jwalther1105/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Here&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</itunes:summary><itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit><itunes:duration>00:12:55</itunes:duration><itunes:image href="https://hosting-media.riverside.com/media/podcasts/093cc442-43de-40cd-b7ac-847ff0f0cab7/logos/36263d64-7905-44e1-be27-08c452b7c0d4.png"/><itunes:season>1</itunes:season><itunes:episode>3</itunes:episode><itunes:title>(#3) Scaling Isn&apos;t Sales.  It&apos;s Systems.</itunes:title><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title><![CDATA[(#2) Take Your Business from Founder-Dependent to System-Led]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p>Ever feel like everything in your business keeps landing back on your desk? Production questions, customer issues, supplier problems—it all comes back to you. And that becomes the ceiling on how much your business can actually grow.</p><p></p><p>Real scalability doesn't happen by working harder. It happens when you start spreading decision-making throughout your organization and share authority with the people who are closest to the work—because they're the ones who can do it best. </p><p></p><p>That's when better work gets done, and that's when you can truly scale.</p><p></p><p>RESOURCED MENTIONED</p><p></p><p><a rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://itivate.com/align-my-company/" target="_blank"><b>Join Align My Company</b></a><b>  </b>— the scaling system founders love and trust.</p><p></p><p><a rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://rebrand.ly/bothsides" target="_blank">Apply to be a guest on Both Sides of the Table</a> — founders, CEOs, and corporate leaders welcome.</p>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">124c8235-c244-41ad-88d1-e86c4a7a2628</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Jessica Walther, Itivate]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2026 17:03:14 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.riverside.com/hosting-analytics/media/a27d09a6fc7a14e3098401dcc656bfa2042bd63879491dbcb4db7f4c27e696e2/eyJlcGlzb2RlSWQiOiIxMjRjODIzNS1jMjQ0LTQxYWQtODhkMS1lODZjNGE3YTI2MjgiLCJwb2RjYXN0SWQiOiIwOTNjYzQ0Mi00M2RlLTQwY2QtYjdhYy04NDdmZjBmMGNhYjciLCJhY2NvdW50SWQiOiI2ODI0ZTA0ZjkyYmQ5YmNhMWU0MDBmYmQiLCJwYXRoIjoibWVkaWEvY2xpcHMvNjliMTljZTJmODE4Y2QwM2UzZTNlYWZkL2plc3NpY2Etd2FsdGhlci1pdGl2YXRlcy1zdHVkaW8tY29tcG9zZXItMjAyNi0zLTExX18xNy00OC0zNC5tcDMifQ==.mp3" length="16980681" type="audio/mpeg"/><podcast:transcript url="https://hosting-media.riverside.com/media/podcasts/093cc442-43de-40cd-b7ac-847ff0f0cab7/episodes/124c8235-c244-41ad-88d1-e86c4a7a2628/transcripts.txt" type="text/plain"/><itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;Ever feel like everything in your business keeps landing back on your desk? Production questions, customer issues, supplier problems—it all comes back to you. And that becomes the ceiling on how much your business can actually grow.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Real scalability doesn&apos;t happen by working harder. It happens when you start spreading decision-making throughout your organization and share authority with the people who are closest to the work—because they&apos;re the ones who can do it best. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;That&apos;s when better work gets done, and that&apos;s when you can truly scale.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;RESOURCED MENTIONED&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a rel=&quot;noopener noreferrer nofollow&quot; href=&quot;https://itivate.com/align-my-company/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Join Align My Company&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;b&gt;  &lt;/b&gt;— the scaling system founders love and trust.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a rel=&quot;noopener noreferrer nofollow&quot; href=&quot;https://rebrand.ly/bothsides&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Apply to be a guest on Both Sides of the Table&lt;/a&gt; — founders, CEOs, and corporate leaders welcome.&lt;/p&gt;</itunes:summary><itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit><itunes:duration>00:11:48</itunes:duration><itunes:image href="https://hosting-media.riverside.com/media/podcasts/093cc442-43de-40cd-b7ac-847ff0f0cab7/logos/36263d64-7905-44e1-be27-08c452b7c0d4.png"/><itunes:title>(#2) Take Your Business from Founder-Dependent to System-Led</itunes:title><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title><![CDATA[(#1) How Leaders Think When the Answer Isn’t Clear]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p>If this episode resonated with you, learn how we help corporates and growing businesses align expectations and move opportunities forward together → <a rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="http://www.itivate.com/amc" target="_blank">www.itivate.com/amc</a>.</p><p></p><p>At <a rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="www.itivate.com" target="_blank">Itivate</a>, we work with founders and enterprise leaders every day — and while the environments differ, the way leaders think under pressure is often the same.</p><p></p><p>In this episode, I’m joined by <a rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/jamesmichaellancaster/" target="_blank">Jamie Lancaster</a>, VP of Global Capability Center at The Kroger Co. and a former leader of mine, to explore how leaders make decisions when the answer isn’t clear. We discuss mindset tools like The Work by Byron Katie, navigating self-doubt and scarcity thinking, and how leadership evolves as responsibility grows — across both corporate and entrepreneurial environments.</p><p>If you’re navigating growth, complexity, or cross-company collaboration, this conversation reflects how we help teams turn insight into action — aligning decision-making so small and midsized businesses and enterprises can work together more effectively.</p><p>Interested in being part of a future conversation?</p><p>Apply here → <a rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://rebrand.ly/bothsides" target="_blank">https://rebrand.ly/bothsides</a></p>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">ba2c9d2c-53f6-49f1-a883-97b3b80b93dd</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Jessica Walther, Itivate]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2026 19:24:54 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.riverside.com/hosting-analytics/media/451ee83e74105ddc2a8079c477c5835fb69b96312a07b37981406e7479278ff5/eyJlcGlzb2RlSWQiOiJiYTJjOWQyYy01M2Y2LTQ5ZjEtYTg4My05N2IzYjgwYjkzZGQiLCJwb2RjYXN0SWQiOiIwOTNjYzQ0Mi00M2RlLTQwY2QtYjdhYy04NDdmZjBmMGNhYjciLCJhY2NvdW50SWQiOiI2ODI0ZTA0ZjkyYmQ5YmNhMWU0MDBmYmQiLCJwYXRoIjoibWVkaWEvY2xpcHMvNjk3Y2JmM2Y4NjIxZjAxZjNiMjIxOWNiL2plc3NpY2Etd2FsdGhlci1pdGl2YXRlcy1zdHVkaW8tY29tcG9zZXItMjAyNi0xLTMwX18xNS0yNS0yLm1wMyJ9.mp3" length="25578871" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;If this episode resonated with you, learn how we help corporates and growing businesses align expectations and move opportunities forward together → &lt;a rel=&quot;noopener noreferrer nofollow&quot; href=&quot;http://www.itivate.com/amc&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;www.itivate.com/amc&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;At &lt;a rel=&quot;noopener noreferrer nofollow&quot; href=&quot;www.itivate.com&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Itivate&lt;/a&gt;, we work with founders and enterprise leaders every day — and while the environments differ, the way leaders think under pressure is often the same.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;In this episode, I’m joined by &lt;a rel=&quot;noopener noreferrer nofollow&quot; href=&quot;https://www.linkedin.com/in/jamesmichaellancaster/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Jamie Lancaster&lt;/a&gt;, VP of Global Capability Center at The Kroger Co. and a former leader of mine, to explore how leaders make decisions when the answer isn’t clear. 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