Together they explore the importance of “connective labor” — the deeply human work of listening, comforting, recognizing, and caring for others. The conversation touches on loneliness, burnout, dignity, healthcare, chaplaincy, technology, and the spiritual hunger many people carry beneath the surface of modern life.

What happens when efficiency becomes more valued than presence? Can empathy be automated? And why do people long so deeply to be truly seen?

This episode offers a reflective and hopeful conversation for caregivers, leaders, healthcare workers, pastors, and anyone trying to cultivate deeper presence in a distracted world.

Listen in for a rich discussion on soul care, human connection, and the sacredness of attention.

Together, they revisit the Old Testament—not as a relic of the past, but as a living invitation to rethink who we are and how we live. Dr. Imes helps untangle common misunderstandings about God’s wrath and love, revealing a vision of God that is deeply relational, holy, and committed to human flourishing.

The conversation takes a surprising turn into one of the most misunderstood commandments—“taking God’s name in vain.” What if it’s less about what we say and more about how we live? What if bearing God’s name is a calling that reshapes our speech, our leadership, and our presence in a fractured cultural moment?

At the heart of it all is a powerful, clarifying truth: to be human is to be made in the image of God. That identity carries both dignity and responsibility. It pushes back against dehumanization and invites a way of life marked by integrity, humility, and care for others.

This episode offers a steady, hope-filled vision for navigating a tense and uncertain world—rooted not in fear, but in a deeper understanding of God’s character and our shared calling.

If you’ve ever wrestled with the relevance of the Old Testament or wondered what it really means to live as God’s image in everyday life, this conversation opens up fresh and meaningful ground.

Takeaways

• Exploring faith and spirituality in real life
• Understanding the Old Testament and its relevance to our lives Intrinsic worth and value of every human being
• The relevance and importance of the Old Testament in understanding human identity and purpose

Chapters

• 00:00 Introduction to SoulCare in Real Life
• 05:05 Misrepresenting God's Name and Image
• 12:25 Cultural Moment and Reshaping Speech and Leadership
• 21:34 The Image of God and Human Dignity
• 28:51 Cultural Tensions and Hope in Scripture

Dr. Oord invites us into a deeper understanding of love as the defining reality of God—not as control or coercion, but as relational, uncontrolling, and always working for the good. Drawing from his work in open and relational theology, he explores what it means to live in a world where God does not override suffering but faithfully participates with us in it.

Together, the conversation wrestles with questions many carry quietly:

• Where is God in suffering and tragedy?
• What does it mean to trust a God who doesn’t control everything?
• How can love shape the way we respond to pain, uncertainty, and others?

This episode offers both intellectual depth and pastoral care, creating space for listeners to reflect on their own experiences of faith, doubt, and hope. Whether you’re navigating loss, asking hard theological questions, or simply longing for a more compassionate vision of God, this conversation opens a path toward a more honest and life-giving faith.

Learn more about Dr. Oord's work at the Center for Open and Relational Theology - here

Drawing from both clinical research and human experience, Dr. Kimmel reframes revenge not simply as a moral issue, but as something more like an addiction—one that can quietly shape our thoughts, relationships, and sense of self. This conversation invites listeners to consider what happens in the soul when we hold onto resentment, and what becomes possible when we begin to release it.

Through thoughtful reflection, Brian and Dr. Kimmel explore:

• Why revenge can feel so compelling—and why it ultimately costs us more than we realize
• The connection between pain, justice, and our desire to settle the score
• How forgiveness is not weakness, but a pathway toward healing and freedom
• Practical ways to begin letting go, even when the hurt runs deep

This episode offers a gentle but honest invitation: to notice what we’re carrying, to name it, and to consider a different way forward.

Find out more about Dr. Kimmel's work and take the Revenge Quiz! Click here.

In this episode of Soul Care in Real Life, Brian Sturtz sits down with Meghan Muller, CEO of the Homeless Alliance, for a thoughtful and grounded conversation about homelessness, dignity, and the systems that shape our communities. Drawing from her background in social work and years of leadership, Meghan offers insight into the realities behind the headlines—challenging common assumptions while pointing toward more human, holistic responses.

Together, they explore the emotional weight of this work, the resilience of those on the front lines, and the small but meaningful ways individuals can engage without becoming overwhelmed. This conversation invites listeners to consider not just solutions, but posture—how we see, respond to, and care for our neighbors.

If you’ve ever wondered how to hold compassion and complexity at the same time, this episode offers a place to begin. Learn more about the work of the OKC Homeless Alliance by clicking here.

Learn more about Lee and his podcast by clicking here.

In this episode, Brian sits down with Sally Gary, founder of CenterPeace and longtime advocate for compassionate dialogue within the Church. With graduate training in communication from Abilene Christian University and a Juris Doctor from Texas Tech, Sally has spent decades serving as a listening ear and steady guide for LGBTQ+ individuals, their families, and ministry leaders seeking faithful presence in complex conversations.

Go to CenterPeace to learn more as well as discover support and resources.

This episode explores:

• Sally’s personal faith journey and the story behind the founding of CenterPeace
• Why listening may be one of the most transformative spiritual practices
• The tension many churches feel around sexuality and belonging
• How parents and ministry leaders can cultivate spaces marked by both conviction and compassion
• What soul care looks like when relationships feel fragile

This conversation doesn’t aim for easy answers. Instead, it offers something deeper: a model of courageous, gracious presence. Whether you’re a parent, pastor, chaplain, or simply someone longing to love others well, this episode invites you to slow down and rediscover the sacred work of listening.

Hosted by Brian Sturtz, a Board Certified Chaplain, Soul Care in Real Life explores what it means to live with spiritual depth in the middle of ordinary routines and complex realities.

Today we’re honored to welcome John Ewell, a faithful servant whose heart has been deeply shaped by prison ministry. John has spent years walking alongside incarcerated men and women—offering hope where despair can feel overwhelming, dignity where shame often dominates, and the steady reminder that no life is beyond redemption.

John’s work has also received national attention. He was featured on Revisionist History hosted by Malcolm Gladwell, in an episode examining the Alabama murders and the death penalty. In that conversation, John reflected on his experience with Kenneth Smith, whom he accompanied spiritually as the state of Alabama ultimately carried out his execution. John bore witness not only to a legal process, but to the spiritual and human weight of that moment—standing with someone in their final hours, holding space for prayer, reflection, and dignity in the face of death.

For more information about John and his work go to Anchor Ministy.

Hosted by Brian Sturtz, a Board Certified Chaplain, Soul Care in Real Life explores what it means to live with spiritual depth in the middle of ordinary routines and complex realities. This is not spirituality removed from the world. It is soul care practiced in hospital rooms, office meetings, kitchen tables, long commutes, and moments of private wrestling.

Each gathering and conversation offers a steady pause in a hurried culture—room to breathe, reflect, and reconnect with what matters most. It welcomes people from all backgrounds and traditions who are seeking a faith that is honest, embodied, and resilient.

At its core is a simple conviction:
You are more than your productivity.
More than your title.
More than your exhaustion.

Soul Care in Real Life isn’t about escaping life.
It’s about learning how to live it—attentively, courageously, and whole.

Michael is a Professor of Artificial Intelligence at the University of Central Oklahoma and co-author of Generative AI and Libraries. He also serves as a Senior Fellow at the Bonhoeffer Institute and holds a master’s degree in theology—bringing together deep technical expertise and thoughtful theological reflection.

In a world rapidly shaped by AI and emerging technologies, Michael helps us ask bigger questions: What does it mean to be human in an age of machines? How can AI serve the flourishing of the whole human family? And how do we navigate innovation without losing our soul?

Join us for a rich and timely conversation at the intersection of faith, technology, and human dignity.