<![CDATA[Assurance Unknown]]>Assurance Unknown, a podcast about all the untold stories in the high assurance IT product security evaluation and certification industry. This is a podcast hosted by Kai-Fan Chang, who worked in IT product security evaluation and certification for about 20 years. I will interview the people who are in my view a big part of my personal journey in this industry and also people who helped shaping this industry. There is no way to predict or plan the future without knowing the past. And I am curious about all the unknown stories, to me, along the way. I am welcoming you to join my journey to discover how the industry has come to be. Hopefully to find a way to go forward together!

]]>www.certcle.comRiverside.fm (https://riverside.com)Sat, 25 Apr 2026 05:47:40 GMTWed, 08 Apr 2026 08:33:47 GMT60Kai-Fan Chang<p>Assurance Unknown, a podcast about all the untold stories in the high assurance IT product security evaluation and certification industry. This is a podcast hosted by Kai-Fan Chang, who worked in IT product security evaluation and certification for about 20 years. I will interview the people who are in my view a big part of my personal journey in this industry and also people who helped shaping this industry. There is no way to predict or plan the future without knowing the past. And I am curious about all the unknown stories, to me, along the way. I am welcoming you to join my journey to discover how the industry has come to be. Hopefully to find a way to go forward together!</p>episodicKai-Fan Changchangdam@mac.comyes<![CDATA[Assurance Unknown with Kai-Fan Chang and Martin Schaffer]]>Welcome to the first episode of Assurance Unknown podcast, a podcast about the untold stories of the high assurance security evaluation and certification industry. My guest of this episode is Martin Schaffer. We touched upon different topics in this episode including:

  • The career path of Martin in this industry and how he created a dedicated security evaluation and certification department in NXP
  • What was the strategy of NXP in choosing the evaluation labs for different products
  • Why a faster CC evaluation and certification process was needed and how smart CC was born
  • The creation of SESIP for the security evaluation of IoT products and how the idea of composition was applied
  • The challenges for the future of security evaluation and certification in the era of AI

For a full experience of the podcast, please also check out the following channels:

blog: https://substack.com/@certcle

instagram: @certcle

my company website: www.certcle.com

Hope you enjoy the episode and feel free to comment, ask questions, and share your ideas with me. Special thanks to Narasimha for the cover art and Shiqi for the intro and outro music!

]]>5fe9b608-a600-40ef-946c-ab382044ba4cTue, 21 Apr 2026 16:15:11 GMT<p>Welcome to the first episode of Assurance Unknown podcast, a podcast about the untold stories of the high assurance security evaluation and certification industry. My guest of this episode is Martin Schaffer. We touched upon different topics in this episode including:</p><p></p><ul><li>The career path of Martin in this industry and how he created a dedicated security evaluation and certification department in NXP</li><li>What was the strategy of NXP in choosing the evaluation labs for different products</li><li>Why a faster CC evaluation and certification process was needed and how smart CC was born</li><li>The creation of SESIP for the security evaluation of IoT products and how the idea of composition was applied</li><li>The challenges for the future of security evaluation and certification in the era of AI</li></ul><p></p><p>For a full experience of the podcast, please also check out the following channels:</p><p></p><p>blog: <a rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://substack.com/@certcle" target="_blank">https://substack.com/@certcle</a></p><p>instagram: @certcle</p><p>my company website: <a rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="http://www.certcle.com" target="_blank">www.certcle.com</a></p><p></p><p>Hope you enjoy the episode and feel free to comment, ask questions, and share your ideas with me. Special thanks to Narasimha for the cover art and Shiqi for the intro and outro music!</p>no01:16:0011Assurance Unknown with Kai-Fan Chang and Martin Schafferfull